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Yossarian_42 Title: RUSH > ALL
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MMA was awesome at first but then they got too good at it.
I don't know enough about it to find the ground game anything but dirt boring. I have zero interest in watching guys wrestle for position on the ground.
Boxing will always be assloads more entertaining for me.
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Szerek Posts: 338
Registered: 2000-8-8 09:26:09
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Cawlin posted:
When everyone knows all the kicking/punching techniques, everyone ALSO knows the ways to get around them or through them and is conditioned to be able to do so without taking a catastrophic beating. When you put them in a ring with a cage around it so maneuvering is limited, it's not about endurance or movement, all about the grappling and submission holds.
Yes occasionally matches are decided by striking - but that's usually the scrub level stuff.
This is simply, well, wrong. Go back again and watch UFC 1. Back in 1993 BJJ was king because other styles didn't know how to fight it. MMA today is a mixture of styles where everyone trains a little bit of all styles. A good striker can easily beat a good grappler simply because he can stuff take downs.
These days, even the pure grapplers have to learn to strike or they will lose once they get to any decent competition. If you need an example of this, look at Damian Maia. Damiam Maia was a world champion grappler who destroyed everyone until he started facing top level strikers. People who were good enough at either BJJ or Wrestling to not be taken down. When you can't strike effectively and you face someone you can't get on the ground, you will lose.
BJJ vs any striking discipline, BJJ will always win because they learn to avoid punches and get take downs. I studied Isshinryu and though those years never once were we ever taught how to avoid a take down.
Anderson Silva is arguably one of the best MMA fighters ever. He hasn't lost a fight in 6 years. He fights mainly as a striker. He is also a BJJ black belt who can grapple with the best, but he prefers striking.
To finish, there are more knockouts than submissions in the UFC today, and there are more decisions than knockouts.
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GrymmDAOC Posts: 241
Registered: 2001-12-6 13:04:16
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Szerek posted:
This is simply, well, wrong. Go back again and watch UFC 1. Back in 1993 BJJ was king because other styles didn't know how to fight it. MMA today is a mixture of styles where everyone trains a little bit of all styles. A good striker can easily beat a good grappler simply because he can stuff take downs.
The gracies also carefully handpicked their opponents to make sure that royce did not face alot of guys who had submission experience. I find it sadly ironic that prior to the second world war, catch wrestling was the dominant form of wrestling in the english speaking world, and was taught to every boy in gradeschool. Then the mommy brigade took over, had it removed and now its almost unknown in the west and mainly taught in Japan.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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Yossarian_42 posted:
MMA was awesome at first but then they got too good at it.
I actually disagree here. MMA used to be awful. It was like watching live action Street Fighter. You'd have Skinny Karate Kid (dressed in karate garb) going up against Fat Hells Angels Brawler. No weight classes at all. It was 'entertaining' for a bit until you realized how utterly uncompetitive it really was.
It is much better now imo, even if Dana White is an insufferable punk.
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Szerek Posts: 338
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Ashmaele posted:
Yossarian_42 posted:
It is much better now imo, even if Dana White is an insufferable punk.
No question there. My biggest beef with the UFC is how very little they pay some of their fighters. Oh, and Dana White is a douche.
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Tkd is rooted in shaolin styles.
The only thing an mma fighter has over a standard martial artist of any other style is more practice. Mma also has rules that a street fight doesn't, like elbows to the back of the neck/head, boxing ears, gouging eyes....
Shaolin arm bars are also a lot faster than bjj. There's no need to take them down and roll on the ground with them.there's also knee breaks and shoulder dislocation moves that dont require being on the ground.
I practice several traditional chinese kungfu styles and would gladly go toe to toe with any other fighter of equal skill level.
I'm currently working on getting a little ring time with a boxer I know.
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imaloon1 Posts: 674
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I wonder what it would look like if all the Internet tough guys gathered in a thread...
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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imaloon1 posted:
I wonder what it would look like if all the Internet tough guys gathered in a thread...
Now that would be PPV I would pay for!
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Szerek Posts: 338
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imaloon1 posted:
I wonder what it would look like if all the Internet tough guys gathered in a thread...
Could the 115lb outposter beat the 400lb outposter!
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It's not the martial art, it's the person and the condition they're in. I've known guys who do TKD and are badass fighters, and I've known people who do Wing Chung who like it because they watched Ip Man. I trained in Muay Thai and BJJ, and therewere plenty of good and effective students in my classes. They would be just as good or effective if they trained in another martial art.
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