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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head [Locked] |
Yukishiro1  Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Groucho48 posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
There's no doubt Zimmerman is a racist douchebag idiot who went around following black people because they were black.
But that's sorta neither here nor there when it comes to whether it was self defense.
If Martin felt threatened by a guy with a gun who gets out of an SUV to follow him, doesn't Stand Your Ground apply to any actions he might take?
Of course not. You have to be in imminent fear of death or serious bodily injury. Some guy following you doesn't fit the bill.
If he was waving around his gun it'd be different. But I haven't seen anything saying he did anything with his gun until they started wrestling on the ground.
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Groucho48  Posts: 821
Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
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reesescups posted:
Groucho48 posted:
DemonicXH posted:
Ardenwolfe posted:
Are you really this dense? If can't have it both ways. If you're saying he's neighborhood watch, they are not allowed to carry firearms. If you're saying he can carry a weapon, as a citizen, then he's a vigilante and not part of the watch program.
Choose.
Show me where it says it is illegal to carry his weapon as neighborhood watch.
I won't hold my breath.
He was breaking the rules of Neighborhood Watch. Those rules are there for a reason...namely, that it is a VERY BAD idea for a civilian with a gun to inject himself into any kind of situation.
If he had followed the rules of Neighbor Watch, Martin would be alive. If he had listened to the police dispatcher, Martin would be alive. Martin was a 17 year old kid walking home from the store.
And we've already established that the dispatcher was giving a 'recommendation' not stating a law or giving any kind of lawful order or anything; and that 'Neighborhood Watch' rules are not in fact laws.
Yes, we get that you are hung up on whether what Zimmerman was doing was illegal or just monumentally stupid and dangerous.
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Ardenwolfe  Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
Posts: 499
Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:02am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
You really are this dense.
When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman's claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs' Association (NSA) -- the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch -- it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.
"In no program that I have ever heard of does someone patrol with a gun in their pocket," Carmen Caldwell, the Executive Director of Citizens' Crime Watch of Miami-Dade, told theGrio. "Every city and municipality has their own policies. Here in Miami-Dade we train people only to be the eyes and ears of their communities. Not to follow and most definitely not to carry a weapon."
It's in the link I showed you earlier. If you weren't so eager to be an ass, next time take the time to read it.
But here: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-14/news/os-trayvon-martin-beth-kassab-031512-20120314_1_orlando-police-block-captains-zimmerman
A manual published by the association for its "USAonWatch" program makes that very clear.
"It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles," the manual states. "Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous."
Source: http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/publications/0_NW_Manual_1210.pdf
And here: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-14/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-another-neighborhood-watch-leaders-view-beth-kassab-20120314_1_neighbor hood-watch-police-officer-weapons
"There is no reason in the world to carry a gun for Neighborhood Watch," said Chris Tutko, a retired police chief who now directs Neighborhood Watch for the sheriffs' association. "It gets people more into trouble than out of it."
Any more questions, smart guy?
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Groucho48 posted:
Yes, we get that you are hung up on whether what Zimmerman was doing was illegal or just monumentally stupid and dangerous.
I was responding to your response to the question:
Show me where it says it is illegal to carry his weapon as neighborhood watch.
If you want to get bitchy about that distinction then don't respond to it with your drivel.
Groucho48 posted:
DemonicXH posted:
Ardenwolfe posted:
Are you really this dense? If can't have it both ways. If you're saying he's neighborhood watch, they are not allowed to carry firearms. If you're saying he can carry a weapon, as a citizen, then he's a vigilante and not part of the watch program.
Choose.
Show me where it says it is illegal to carry his weapon as neighborhood watch.
I won't hold my breath.
He was breaking the rules of Neighborhood Watch. Those rules are there for a reason...namely, that it is a VERY BAD idea for a civilian with a gun to inject himself into any kind of situation.
If he had followed the rules of Neighbor Watch, Martin would be alive. If he had listened to the police dispatcher, Martin would be alive. Martin was a 17 year old kid walking home from the store.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Ardenwolfe posted:
Any more questions, smart guy?
Yeah - why do you keep talking about the 'rules and regulations' of organizations that have nothing to do with Zimmerman and the neighborhood watch program that he was the captain of?
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Ardenwolfe Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
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My God. You're in your own realm of stupid. I provide the manual that states exactly what you're arguing against. Jesus, this is like trying to reason with a bowl of Jell-O.
Have at it, Hoss. I'm done with your idiotic trolling.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Ardenwolfe posted:
My God. You're in your own realm of stupid. I provide the manual and says exactly what you're arguing against. Jesus, this is like trying to reason with a bowl of Jell-O.
Have at it, Hoss. I'm done with your idiotic trolling.
Ok Chief.
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DemonicXH Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Registered: 2003-12-1 08:14:17
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Seriously Ardenwolfe you are taking the rules of some Neighborhood Watch organization that's not involved as the law.
Do you wanna keep digging that hole deeper or quit while you're ahead?
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Date Posted:
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
reesescups posted:
Ardenwolfe posted:
My God. You're in your own realm of stupid. I provide the manual and says exactly what you're arguing against. Jesus, this is like trying to reason with a bowl of Jell-O.
Have at it, Hoss. I'm done with your idiotic trolling.
Ok Chief.
ACFers are such lightweights. 
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ineenia Posts: 373
Registered: 2005-11-1 04:48:33
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:02am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Are you guys really saying that if a guy with a gun is chasing you ,you run away and he chases after you ,you don't have every reason to fear for your life and use physical force to defend yourself?
If you shoot someone who is lawfully defending himself from yourself,it isn't self defense.
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