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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head [Locked] |
Z-Elder  Posts: 671
Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Bonzoboy1 posted:
cabbyman posted:
Eye witnesses put Martin on top of Zimmerman punching him repeatedly and Zimmerman yelling for help. That is the proof that is needed.
You have no idea what Martin would have done to Zimmerman had he been allowed to continue slamming his head into the ground.
All you've proved is that you are incapable of looking at the situation objectively. I expect that comes from years of listening to the same 3 chords.
You don't understand, if you are being followed by someone you have every right to attack them and beat their head on the ground repeatedly, it is just common sense.
But of course. If security is following a suspected shoplifter the shoplifter has a right to beat their head into the ground.
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SirGarth  Title: Moderator
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Registered: 2002-5-17 12:37:09
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Date Posted:
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
cabbyman posted:
No one knows who threw the first punch or attacked first.
which makes your repeated attempts to claim Zimmerman's shooting of Trayvon was justified pretty foolish. 
cabbyman posted:
Following and confronting someone is not illegal. He didn't lose anything by doing that. Furthermore we don't even know that he confronted him. The only thing we know for sure was that Martin was on top of him and beating him up.
never said it was illegal, the legality of that part of the story isn't what is in question. but it absolutely affects the justification for "stand your ground" to apply.
cabbyman posted:
Regardelss Zimmerman says that he was walking back to his truck when he was attacked.
shocking, and not at all a questionable claim!! 
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cabbyman Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
SirGarth posted:
cabbyman posted:
No one knows who threw the first punch or attacked first.
which makes your repeated attempts to claim Zimmerman's shooting of Trayvon was justified pretty foolish.
cabbyman posted:
Following and confronting someone is not illegal. He didn't lose anything by doing that. Furthermore we don't even know that he confronted him. The only thing we know for sure was that Martin was on top of him and beating him up.
never said it was illegal, the legality of that part of the story isn't what is in question. but it absolutely affects the justification for "stand your ground" to apply.
cabbyman posted:
Regardelss Zimmerman says that he was walking back to his truck when he was attacked.
shocking, and not at all a questionable claim!!
1) He was justified in that he was being viciously beaten at the time. This was corroborated by eyewitnesses.
2) It does NOT affect the "stand your ground" justification. I don't know where you're getting that from or if you're just hoping that it's so. No law was broken until it got physical. The only eyewitness information we have is that Zimmerman was getting beaten. It seems a perfect case for the stand your ground law.
3) Yup and that's why they need to investigate it further. No one is saying it shouldn't be looked into more.
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Sinlock Title: Savior of the Camelot Outpost
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Registered: 2000-5-14 16:20:01
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
The following is only an imagined scenario. However, there is a point to it.
Martin circled around and confronted Zimmerman for following him. For whatever reason, Martin decided to kick his butt. He starts to do so. Zimmerman screams for help. Martin keeps kicking his butt. Somehow, during the melee, Martin finds Zimmerman has a gun. He grabs at it, and Zimmerman grabs to keep control of it. They both focus on the gun for a moment, fumble, and next thing is Martin is shot in the chest.
This scenario is fabricated and has no knowledgeable basis in fact. The point (I mentioned there was one), is it is possible there is an instance wherein the shooting was entirely justified. This is one.
So, as a few have said before - maybe we should wait for the investigation to reveal what happened before getting truly outraged? 
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:11am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Sinlock posted:
The following is only an imagined scenario. However, there is a point to it.
Martin circled around and confronted Zimmerman for following him. For whatever reason, Martin decided to kick his butt. He starts to do so. Zimmerman screams for help. Martin keeps kicking his butt. Somehow, during the melee, Martin finds Zimmerman has a gun. He grabs at it, and Zimmerman grabs to keep control of it. They both focus on the gun for a moment, fumble, and next thing is Martin is shot in the chest.
This scenario is fabricated and has no knowledgeable basis in fact. The point (I mentioned there was one), is it is possible there is an instance wherein the shooting was entirely justified. This is one.
So, as a few have said before - maybe we should wait for the investigation to reveal what happened before getting truly outraged?
The investigation was done as in not happening until enough people got outraged. Pay attention.
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eodoll  Posts: 1,028
Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:11am
Subject:
Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Sinlock posted:
The following is only an imagined scenario. However, there is a point to it.
Martin circled around and confronted Zimmerman for following him. For whatever reason, Martin decided to kick his butt. He starts to do so. Zimmerman screams for help. Martin keeps kicking his butt. Somehow, during the melee, Martin finds Zimmerman has a gun. He grabs at it, and Zimmerman grabs to keep control of it. They both focus on the gun for a moment, fumble, and next thing is Martin is shot in the chest.
This scenario is fabricated and has no knowledgeable basis in fact. The point (I mentioned there was one), is it is possible there is an instance wherein the shooting was entirely justified. This is one.
So, as a few have said before - maybe we should wait for the investigation to reveal what happened before getting truly outraged?
It's unlikely. For one, Zimmerman had no business exiting his vehicle - that alone shows that Zimmerman intended to fight or murder or illegally capture Martin. (remember martin had done nothing illegal and had no illegal items in his possesion). And secondly, martin was no gangster, he was just 17. Maybe when you turn 28 and you meet a 17 year old, you'll realize how small they are. There is just a boost to your confidence and character as you get older that highschoolers do not posses.
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cabbyman Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
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Date Posted:
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
eodoll posted:
Sinlock posted:
The following is only an imagined scenario. However, there is a point to it.
Martin circled around and confronted Zimmerman for following him. For whatever reason, Martin decided to kick his butt. He starts to do so. Zimmerman screams for help. Martin keeps kicking his butt. Somehow, during the melee, Martin finds Zimmerman has a gun. He grabs at it, and Zimmerman grabs to keep control of it. They both focus on the gun for a moment, fumble, and next thing is Martin is shot in the chest.
This scenario is fabricated and has no knowledgeable basis in fact. The point (I mentioned there was one), is it is possible there is an instance wherein the shooting was entirely justified. This is one.
So, as a few have said before - maybe we should wait for the investigation to reveal what happened before getting truly outraged?
It's unlikely. For one, Zimmerman had no business exiting his vehicle - that alone shows that Zimmerman intended to fight or murder or illegally capture Martin. (remember martin had done nothing illegal and had no illegal items in his possesion). And secondly, martin was no gangster, he was just 17. Maybe when you turn 28 and you meet a 17 year old, you'll realize how small they are. There is just a boost to your confidence and character as you get older that highschoolers do not posses.
Zimmerman had as much right to be there as Martin did.
Furthermore Zimmerman had a responsibility to be there as he was the neighborhood watch guy. The fact that you think his exiting his vehicle means anything shows that you just aren't thinking clearly. Or don't want to.
This kid was only 17 years old but he was 6 foot 2 inches tall. In the dark, that is a grown man.
The only thing we know for sure was that eyewitnesses saw Martin straddling Zimmerman and beating him up.
Then came the shooty shooty.
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Bonzoboy1 Posts: 885
Registered: 2008-8-1 18:04:29
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I need to remember there are laws against exiting my vehicle, I wonder how many times I've broken that one?
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eodoll Posts: 1,028
Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
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Date Posted:
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Yeah, next time you see the president drive by, try exiting your vehicle and running after him waving your gun. Watch what happens.
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Bonzoboy1 Posts: 885
Registered: 2008-8-1 18:04:29
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Date Posted:
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
eodoll posted:
Yeah, next time you see the president drive by, try exiting your vehicle and running after him waving your gun. Watch what happens.
Zimmerman was waving his gun? Is there any proof of that other than in your fevered imagination?
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