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cabbyman  2 stars
Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
eodoll posted:

ok, then explain the law in this scenario:

i make it obvious ive got a gun under my coat
i block your path
you tell me to move
i insult you and keep blocking your path - i dont lay a finger on you

your only option is?

ive pretty much started a fight here...

i cant kmagine the law in florida gives someone the right to do what i just layed out.



Hypotheticals don't prove anything.

How about this one:

Zimmerman: What are you doing here?
Martin: Oh hi! My name is Trayvon Martin. I'm just walking back to my dad George Martin's house at 123 Anystreet St. How are you doing sir?

You think the night goes differently in this scenario?

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
Title: Pastor of Muppets
Posts: 1,809
Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
cabbyman posted:

eodoll posted:

ok, then explain the law in this scenario:

i make it obvious ive got a gun under my coat
i block your path
you tell me to move
i insult you and keep blocking your path - i dont lay a finger on you

your only option is?

ive pretty much started a fight here...

i cant kmagine the law in florida gives someone the right to do what i just layed out.



Hypotheticals don't prove anything.

How about this one:

Zimmerman: What are you doing here?
Martin: Oh hi! My name is Trayvon Martin. I'm just walking back to my dad George Martin's house at 123 Anystreet St. How are you doing sir?

You think the night goes differently in this scenario?



I think so. It would have been nice if Zimmerman had done this before it got to the point where he called the cops. He could have rolled up next to the dude, asked what he was doing there, and *maybe* not shot him. Who knows?

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
Ashmaele posted:

cabbyman posted:

eodoll posted:

ok, then explain the law in this scenario:

i make it obvious ive got a gun under my coat
i block your path
you tell me to move
i insult you and keep blocking your path - i dont lay a finger on you

your only option is?

ive pretty much started a fight here...

i cant kmagine the law in florida gives someone the right to do what i just layed out.



Hypotheticals don't prove anything.

How about this one:

Zimmerman: What are you doing here?
Martin: Oh hi! My name is Trayvon Martin. I'm just walking back to my dad George Martin's house at 123 Anystreet St. How are you doing sir?

You think the night goes differently in this scenario?



I think so. It would have been nice if Zimmerman had done this before it got to the point where he called the cops. He could have rolled up next to the dude, asked what he was doing there, and *maybe* not shot him. Who knows?



There is an order of precedence that you are either intentionally ignoring or just missing.

The gun was fired only after the gun's owner was physically attacked.

 

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eodoll  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
i didnt say thats what happened.. but according to you that sort of behavior is legit and legal.

youve said so far following, chasing and insulting someone (a minor here) is legal so long as no physical touching is done.

so i asked about another scenario with no physical contact. you ran away from it.

as to your hypothetical- martin wouldve been justified in saying f'off pervert.
Ashmaele  4 stars
Title: Pastor of Muppets
Posts: 1,809
Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
cabbyman posted:

Ashmaele posted:

cabbyman posted:

eodoll posted:

ok, then explain the law in this scenario:

i make it obvious ive got a gun under my coat
i block your path
you tell me to move
i insult you and keep blocking your path - i dont lay a finger on you

your only option is?

ive pretty much started a fight here...

i cant kmagine the law in florida gives someone the right to do what i just layed out.



Hypotheticals don't prove anything.

How about this one:

Zimmerman: What are you doing here?
Martin: Oh hi! My name is Trayvon Martin. I'm just walking back to my dad George Martin's house at 123 Anystreet St. How are you doing sir?

You think the night goes differently in this scenario?



I think so. It would have been nice if Zimmerman had done this before it got to the point where he called the cops. He could have rolled up next to the dude, asked what he was doing there, and *maybe* not shot him. Who knows?



There is an order of precedence that you are either intentionally ignoring or just missing.

The gun was fired only after the gun's owner was physically attacked.


Again, according to the shooter. You keep acting like Zimmerman's version of events constitute fact.

 

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eodoll  4 stars
Posts: 1,028
Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
zimmerman and people like him might as well patrol the elementary schools looking fir kids that are going home to houses where the parents arent home... its all in the kids safety.

there is acreason officers are held to a higher standard and given psych exams.
cabbyman  2 stars
Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
eodoll posted:

i didnt say thats what happened.. but according to you that sort of behavior is legit and legal.

youve said so far following, chasing and insulting someone (a minor here) is legal so long as no physical touching is done.

so i asked about another scenario with no physical contact. you ran away from it.



I didn't run away from it. It's a stupid scenario. If you want I'll answer it.

"Pretty much" started a fight is not starting a fight. When you punch me until I fall down and then you start slamming my head into the pavement I have a right to defend myself. If you are calling me names then I don't have a right to shoot you. Your scenario is just as credible as saying "What if Trayvon came running at you screaming that he was a crack baby bent on hurting someone and he put his finger right in your face but didn't touch you and kept saying "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!". It's a stupid scenario.

You want so bad for this to be some guy wantonly shooting an innocent black kid.

It's not.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
Ashmaele posted:

Again, according to the shooter. You keep acting like Zimmerman's version of events constitute fact.



Witnesses corroborate at least parts of Zimmerman's story. That's all we have.

We can play make believe all day long if you want.

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
cabbyman posted:

Ashmaele posted:

Again, according to the shooter. You keep acting like Zimmerman's version of events constitute fact.



Witnesses corroborate at least parts of Zimmerman's story. That's all we have.

We can play make believe all day long if you want.



Well, I posted a link which indicates that the investigating officer didn't believe Zimmerman's version of events and was ready to charge him with manslaughter.

Or we can play make believe if you want.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
Ashmaele posted:

cabbyman posted:

Ashmaele posted:

Again, according to the shooter. You keep acting like Zimmerman's version of events constitute fact.



Witnesses corroborate at least parts of Zimmerman's story. That's all we have.

We can play make believe all day long if you want.



Well, I posted a link which indicates that the investigating officer didn't believe Zimmerman's version of events and was ready to charge him with manslaughter.

Or we can play make believe if you want.



I've seen that. I've also seen the link that the DA refused to press charges on the grounds that there wasn't enough evidence to show Zimmerman committed a crime.

So there it is.

 

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