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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head [Locked] |
Sansfear  Posts: 757
Registered: 2008-8-31 05:04:52
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
eodoll posted:
if what zimmerman did is legal then it means anyone in flirida can start a fight and then when they get attacked can pull out a gun and kill. nice way to end a dispute with the guy that stole your gurlfriend.
clearly, the person that started the conflict can not possibly have a claim to self defense (in terms of standing your ground).
Actually, they can, which is why the law needs some clarification and amending.
Verbal provocation is perfectly legal as is defending yourself from the response.
I'm a big fan of self-defense, but this legal loophole is way too big and people will take advantage of it.
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eodoll  Posts: 1,028
Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
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exactly, zimmermans actions directly resulted in a fight.
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cabbyman  Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
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eodoll posted:
exactly, zimmermans actions directly resulted in a fight.
Nope. The fight started when it got physical.
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eodoll Posts: 1,028
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Sansfear posted:
eodoll posted:
if what zimmerman did is legal then it means anyone in flirida can start a fight and then when they get attacked can pull out a gun and kill. nice way to end a dispute with the guy that stole your gurlfriend.
clearly, the person that started the conflict can not possibly have a claim to self defense (in terms of standing your ground).
Actually, they can, which is why the law needs some clarification and amending.
Verbal provocation is perfectly legal as is defending yourself from the response.
I'm a big fan of self-defense, but this legal loophole is way too big and people will take advantage of it.
isnt there a term/charge police like to use?
inciting violence or inciting disorderly conduct..
surely its not legal, people get pepper sprayed and beaten with batons for inciting violence.
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eodoll Posts: 1,028
Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
cabbyman posted:
eodoll posted:
exactly, zimmermans actions directly resulted in a fight.
Nope. The fight started when it got physical.
so youre saying you can call someone names, follow them with a loaded weapon abd intimidate them but the other person has no right to stand his ground? according to you, martin needed to get down on the floor and wait for god knows who to show up or for zimmerman to just start beating him up.
clearly, the fight started with what zimmerman did.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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City officials issued a statement, they said was approved by Sanford Police Captain Robert O'Connor, condemning the group's appeal and asking citizens to leave all arrests to them.
"The City is requesting calm heads and no vigilante justice," the statement said. "Attempts by civilians to take any person into custody may result in criminal charges or unnecessary violence."
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cabbyman Posts: 441
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eodoll posted:
cabbyman posted:
eodoll posted:
exactly, zimmermans actions directly resulted in a fight.
Nope. The fight started when it got physical.
so youre saying you can call someone names, follow them with a loaded weapon abd intimidate them but the other person has no right to stand his ground? according to you, martin needed to get down on the floor and wait for god knows who to show up or for zimmerman to just start beating him up.
clearly, the fight started with what zimmerman did.
Negative. The fight started when the first person threw the first punch.
If what you are saying is true then anytime someone says something you don't like you can smack them in the face.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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cabbyman posted:
eodoll posted:
cabbyman posted:
eodoll posted:
exactly, zimmermans actions directly resulted in a fight.
Nope. The fight started when it got physical.
so youre saying you can call someone names, follow them with a loaded weapon abd intimidate them but the other person has no right to stand his ground? according to you, martin needed to get down on the floor and wait for god knows who to show up or for zimmerman to just start beating him up.
clearly, the fight started with what zimmerman did.
cabbyman posted:
Zimmerman was attacked from behind
Then why did the lead investigator recommend a manslaughter charge for Zimmerman?
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eodoll Posts: 1,028
Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
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ok, then explain the law in this scenario:
i make it obvious ive got a gun under my coat
i block your path
you tell me to move
i insult you and keep blocking your path - i dont lay a finger on you
your only option is?
ive pretty much started a fight here...
i cant kmagine the law in florida gives someone the right to do what i just layed out.
(if you dont notice, this is essentially kidnapping and imprisonment).
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cabbyman Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Ashmaele posted:
cabbyman posted:
eodoll posted:
cabbyman posted:
eodoll posted:
exactly, zimmermans actions directly resulted in a fight.
Nope. The fight started when it got physical.
so youre saying you can call someone names, follow them with a loaded weapon abd intimidate them but the other person has no right to stand his ground? according to you, martin needed to get down on the floor and wait for god knows who to show up or for zimmerman to just start beating him up.
clearly, the fight started with what zimmerman did.
cabbyman posted:
Zimmerman was attacked from behind
Then why did the lead investigator recommend a manslaughter charge for Zimmerman?
And why did the DA say not to press charges?
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