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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head [Locked] |
theredkay1  Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
oh wait a minute, this kid smoked weed?!?!?!?!? That changes everything.
Ashmaele posted:
Z-Elder posted:
How can you idiots overlook a witness that was talking to Martin while he was beating on Zimmerman. He even told Martin to stop!
Who said anyone is overlooking this? i think it's pretty clear that there was a scuffle of some sort. That doesn't justify a shooting IMO in this case.
I asked this in another thread but I never got a response so I'll ask here: Say you see someone walking down the street and you decide you want to wrestle him. Unbeknownst to you, the guy you engage is really good at wrestling and, before long, you find yourself pinned and in trouble. So you decide to shoot the guy rather than letting him break your neck. Is that self defense in your opinion?
That seems a good summary of the ultimate question in this case. It makes a mockery of the concept of self defense and I hope that no jury would buy into it. |
Ardenwolfe  Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
Posts: 499
Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
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Agreed.
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Ashmaele  Title: Pastor of Muppets
Posts: 1,809
Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
sweeny_comodore posted:
When someone runs up behind you, you turn to face them, dont you?
Or do you just keep walking away like nothing is happening with you back turned?
Meh, I suppose.
Then you have to wonder why Martin would "run up behind" Zimmerman to ask Zimmerman why he was following him lol
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Bowlartz  Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
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Registered: 2006-1-4 19:59:15
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:05am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Ashmaele posted:
Z-Elder posted:
How can you idiots overlook a witness that was talking to Martin while he was beating on Zimmerman. He even told Martin to stop!
Who said anyone is overlooking this? i think it's pretty clear that there was a scuffle of some sort. That doesn't justify a shooting IMO in this case.
I asked this in another thread but I never got a response so I'll ask here: Say you see someone walking down the street and you decide you want to wrestle him. Unbeknownst to you, the guy you engage is really good at wrestling and, before long, you find yourself pinned and in trouble. So you decide to shoot the guy rather than letting him break your neck. Is that self defense in your opinion?
I don't see how that analogy fits at all if things went as claimed and reported by witnesses. Zimmerman didn't just up and pick a random person for no reason on the street. The neighborhood had a very recent rash of break ins. Zimmerman had called to report a suspicious person who was not a resident and requested police come to investigate.
There is no witness as to which person took it from a verbal confrontation to a physical altercation. The only direct eye witness saw Treyvon Martin kicking the crap out of Zimmerman. If Zimmerman started the physical altercation then hes got some trouble coming his way, if Treyvon did then there is nothing to be done. The problem is without a witness to who started it...we will never know.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Date Posted:
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If some kid jumps you like the story describes they are getting shot.
The problem is really not with self defense but vigilantes looking for trouble and putting themselves in these situations. They are not cops.
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cabbyman Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
If some kid jumps you like the story describes they are getting shot.
The problem is really not with self defense but vigilantes looking for trouble and putting themselves in these situations. They are not cops.
By this reasoning we should be able to pummel occupy protesters on sight.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Date Posted:
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
theredkay1 posted:
assmale posted:
I asked this in another thread but I never got a response so I'll ask here: Say you see someone walking down the street and you decide you want to wrestle him. Unbeknownst to you, the guy you engage is really good at wrestling and, before long, you find yourself pinned and in trouble. So you decide to shoot the guy rather than letting him break your neck. Is that self defense in your opinion?
That seems a good summary of the ultimate question in this case. It makes a mockery of the concept of self defense and I hope that no jury would buy into it.
That's imperfect self defense. Lowers murder to manslaughter.
What really matters is who started the fight.
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Z-Elder Posts: 671
Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
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Date Posted:
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Zimmerman was an authorized watchman for the HOA on their Private Property. He was doing his duty by following an unknown person until that person went inside a home or left the property through the other gate.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:05am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Bowlartz posted:
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer
Most of that link is the same kind of jumping to conclusions BS that supporters of Trayvon are doing but it does include snapshots of Trayvon's now deleted Facebook page which is where references to providing weed are clear.
People like you are fucking disgusting. Smearing a dead kid linking blog posts and bullshit?
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Voodoo-Dahl posted:
Bowlartz posted:
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer
Most of that link is the same kind of jumping to conclusions BS that supporters of Trayvon are doing but it does include snapshots of Trayvon's now deleted Facebook page which is where references to providing weed are clear.
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