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Scarne  4 stars
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Satan also doesn't have free will like people do. So anything Satan does is because God wills it.

 

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Manegarm  4 stars
Title: European Imperialist Good Guy
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Mastara posted:

Neither did the lord command human sacrifice. Your speaking of Abraham and again this was a test. The lord wanted to see if Abraham trusted God with everything, even his only son (which is familiar because he also offered his only son and he went all the way to death) before he committed the act of sacrificing his son he was commanded not to harm a hair on his head. Again your not understanding the reason. Which isn't uncommon from people who won't study the scriptures but will draw conclusions for the story within without understanding the reasoning first.



Hate to break it too you but you're worshiping a ancient evil blood good.

Proof:

 

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Eager_Igraine  4 stars
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Scarne posted:

Satan also doesn't have free will like people do. So anything Satan does is because God wills it.



Job was a brilliant poetic questioning of accepted morality when set side by side with reality. Then the priesthood adopted, adapted and added to the poem to recreate it in their own theology. Mascara would fit right in with the three friends who have no clue, but parrot their religious teachings.


Also, your free will statement makes for great conversation with rational Xtians and leaves the more conservative ones a bit frothy.

 

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Mastara  4 stars
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Oh scratch that I seen what you said. Of course by rational, you mean people that would compromise with you in your belief of what is actually being said in the book. So basically a wishy washy Christian that stands on shaky knowledge of the word. Its not rational, its just a discussion of people who dont know the word

 

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Manegarm  4 stars
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Mastara posted:

Oh scratch that I seen what you said. Of course by rational, you mean people that would compromise with you in your belief of what is actually being said in the book. So basically a wishy washy Christian that stands on shaky knowledge of the word. Its not rational, its just a discussion of people who dont know the word



So Satan killing 10 people and your God murdering 2 391 000 people, you're okay with that?

 

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Mastara  4 stars
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Who am I to pass judgement on God? Who are you for that matter?

He is a just and righteous God. He does not sin. If in his judgement he decided people needed to die for the things they did, thats for him to decide and he is right and just in doing so. He sees the things that we cant. He knows the situation and the hidden things that we dont. Rightfully we all deserve such a punishment. The fact that we're all still breathing at this moment speaks to his mercy. But I will not be the one to bring an accusation against God. He had his reasons. And I'm not just or wise enough to question him. A pot does not ask the potter why he was made. It simply does what its creator made it to do.

Oh and God never murdered a single person. I have no clue how your coming up with a number like that. But Id like to know.

 

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Mastara  4 stars
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The book of Job teaches the same thing. Though God allowed SATAN to kill his family and break his body Job in the depths of his despair never once accused God of sinning or wrong doing. Did he wonder why such things were happening to him? Of course he did, but never once did he bring an accusation against God. Which is why after the 3 friends told him to curse God and die, he basically ignored them and kept speaking to God from the depths of his heart. But notice, God replied to Job. And God rebuked his 3 friends for speaking falsely of Job and judging him.

Instead of merely questioning everything you think the bible says it might help to actually know what it says and to study it, and the answer just might show up. Reading 1 book and saying bam I know the answers doesn't do it. They all mingle together.


1 Then the LORD spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.

4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?

8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?

12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.

 

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Azure-TheBlueOne  2 stars
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For me, it all comes down to my disbelief that any omnipotent being would subscribe to such ridiculous and petty human emotions of vengeance, wrath, jealousy, and hate. And it says quite often in the bible that God is both jealous and hateful, I had some fundies online recently point out at least 15+ times in the scripture where it says such. I don't think they understood that I was saying that was precisely why I don't believe in the bible. Because my God does not subscribe to pathetic human emotions. No true God would need to.

My God is the Universe and everything in it, and it's perfect.

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"the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man."

 

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Azure-TheBlueOne  2 stars
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1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

 

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Manegarm  4 stars
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Mastara posted:

Who am I to pass judgement on God? Who are you for that matter?

He is a just and righteous God. He does not sin. If in his judgement he decided people needed to die for the things they did, thats for him to decide and he is right and just in doing so. He sees the things that we cant. He knows the situation and the hidden things that we dont. Rightfully we all deserve such a punishment. The fact that we're all still breathing at this moment speaks to his mercy. But I will not be the one to bring an accusation against God. He had his reasons. And I'm not just or wise enough to question him. A pot does not ask the potter why he was made. It simply does what its creator made it to do.

Oh and God never murdered a single person. I have no clue how your coming up with a number like that. But Id like to know.



Well any critical thinking individual would at least read up on what kind of God he's worshiping, I mean you could be just be praying to Satan without knowing it.

No that's not a valid excuse that's the excuse a psychopathic blood god would make: I see and know everything and therefor if I just offhandedly murder people for no reason it's all because of a plan.

Just sounds like the reasoning of a mad god.

Well you might have the mental faculties of a pot I on the other hand am a thinking human being.

The numbers were as it says on the picture taken from the bible, the number of kills for god also counts in the flood.

Funny so you're okay with God murdering 2 million people because he's good but Satan is evil for killing 10? That's about the same as saying a kid who rips the wings of a fly is more evil then your run of the mill murderer psychopath.

Oh and he's extremely random too and without reason..


Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)


The Angel of Death
That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)


He's terrible at following his own advice, there's boatloads of quotes from the bible which tells not of a benevolent kind God but a psychopathic monster who feeds of random murder and terror.

You're worshiping a blood god Mastara.

read more here: http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

 

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