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Bowlartz  1 star
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"He wasn't just following him. He followed him, then got out of his car and demanded the kid stop and started yelling at him and ran up to him. Big difference."


There is no evidence this happened, none. This is why things are so out of control. Rampant speculation with zero facts to support.


"Zimmerman was on the phone with the police. They told him not to follow, he did anyway. He was talking directly to the police department, not 911, as he called the police non-emergency number. He stated that he "lost him" and the police told him to stay in his car and asked what address he was at and told him to stay on the line till the cops showed up. He responded with "Have the cops call me back when they get here" and hung up, and got out of his vehicle in an attempt to find Martin. No one disputes this account."


I dispute it. Here is his 911 call transcript. It was a dispatcher. They don't ask him to stay on the line. In fact the dispatcher confirms his phone number so the police can call him when they get there.

http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/zimmerman-911-call-transcript-trayvon-martin/

 

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Ardenwolfe  2 stars
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Bowlartz posted:

What evidence do you have that any of this happened? There is no evidence he stopped the kid. There is no evidence he confronted him.



Um . . . Zimmerman standing over Martin's dead body, smoking gun literally in Zimmerman's hand, when the police arrived isn't proof enough that he stopped and confronted Martin?

. . .

Really?

 

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Bonzoboy1  3 stars
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Most of the mob aren't even sure of the facts any more because of all the conjecture.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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Ardenwolfe posted:

Bowlartz posted:

What evidence do you have that any of this happened? There is no evidence he stopped the kid. There is no evidence he confronted him.



Um . . . Zimmerman standing over Martin's dead body, smoking gun literally in Zimmerman's hand, when the police arrived isn't proof enough that he stopped and confronted Martin?

. . .

Really?



Zimmerman said he was on his way back to his truck when Martin confronted him.

 

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Bowlartz  1 star
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Ardenwolfe posted:

Bowlartz posted:

What evidence do you have that any of this happened? There is no evidence he stopped the kid. There is no evidence he confronted him.



Um . . . Zimmerman standing over Martin's dead body, smoking gun literally in Zimmerman's hand, when the police arrived isn't proof enough that he stopped and confronted Martin?

. . .

Really?



It is no more proof than Martin following Zimmerman back to his car, confronting him and attacking him. You know it didn't happen that way because?

Oh yea, you can't.

Whether it happened either way, no one knows. That is why he has not been arrested. That does not preclude either scenario or variations of the scenario from being true. But without evidence to the contrary it is a moot point. We don't arrest people and put them on trial if there is insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So far, two prosecutors have both said they could not get a conviction with the current evidence.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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Bowlartz posted:

We don't arrest people and put them on trial if there is insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So far, two prosecutors have both said they could not get a conviction with the current evidence.



That's not entirely true elsewhere. In a lot of states, if not most, the person gets arrested, has all manner of charges thrown at him and that, combined with exorbitant bail and the likelihood of rotting in jail until his trial because he can't get a bond to get out, combined with the potential cost of legal representation is used as the bullying scare tactics to get him to plea bargain down to a lesser charge.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-enhanced-video-040212_1_reporter-matt-gutman-abc-news-neighborhood-watch-volunte er-zimmerman

ABC News has re-digitized video of George Zimmerman taken shortly after Trayvon Martin's shooting.

The video was unveiled as an exclusive this morning on "Good Morning America." ABC was the first news organization to show the original tape.


Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows "what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman's head."

Neighborhood Watch volunteer Zimmerman has said he shot 17-year-old Trayvon in self-defense. The video shows Zimmerman arriving at the Sanford Police Department within an hour after the shooting.

Gutman said the video had been "clarified" by Forensic Protection Inc. Former FBI Special Agent Brad Garrett told ABC that the clearer video shows "marks on the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head."


And also:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/neighbor-defends-george-zimmerman-03302012

TAMPA - One of George Zimmerman's neighbors is speaking out, saying looks can be deceiving.

Despite booking video from the Sanford Police Department that many say shows George Zimmerman largely unscathed from his encounter with Trayvon Martin, the neighbor said he saw Zimmerman with obvious injuries.

The neighbor is talking for the first time about what he saw on George Zimmerman's face less than 24-hours after Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

"I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren't flat, had a bump on them," the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.

He described where the injuries were.

"I seen him have a big bandage on his nose and his nose swollen. On the side, where his eyes were at, it was swollen," he said.

He points out exactly where on a picture.

"I seen the bandage right here, and this side of his nose and this side of his nose was swollen.

The surveillance video was released by Sanford police of Zimmerman when he was brought in for questioning after the shooting. Bruises and bandages aren't visible, but you can see an officer looking at the back of his head.

"Once you get into a fight you don't show bruises that day, it shows the next day," he said.

The neighbor says Zimmerman had to have acted in self-defense.

"I think something happened that night where he had to defend himself," the neighbor said.

He says that the voice heard screaming on the 911 call is that of George Zimmerman.

"I hear his voice every single day, I talk to him every single day," he said.

He says the case has haunted him.

"I've been thinking about it morning noon and night ever since I seen the bandages on him," he said.

He believes Zimmerman was defending his life, and that's why he's defending Zimmerman now. He says he doesn't believe race played a role in what happened.

"I don't think race is involved at all, because I've seen black, African-American folks come to George's house," he said.

The neighbor says he's tired of Zimmerman being portrayed as the bad guy.

"Everyone needs to let the justice system take its course before rushing to judgment," he said.

 

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Friarspam  3 stars
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Bowlartz is dead-on. You hysterical emo are getting schooled and should just stop now before you look even more emo and lame.

 

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Z-Elder  3 stars
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Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
It is amazing that that so many here can't seem to accept the facts as they are. The DA and the cops did and Still do.

 

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Tipztoe  4 stars
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__Bonk__ posted:

The government knows if it doesnt convict him of something major there will be violence and riots from blacks in American

This is a fact





They shouldn't let this influence anything.

And if people riot and commit acts of violence, then they should be sprayed with rubber bullets and tear gas.

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