This is a story about how a hispanic man became a white man by killing a black man.

 

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How long was Martin supposed to wait before he punched the asshole? Did he have to wait till Zimmerman knocked him in the head? Did he have to wait till he got knocked on the ground? Maybe lost a couple of teeth..then it was OK to beat the crap out of the asshole who had followed him then confronted him?

If Zimmerman can say he was in fear for his life, why can't Martin? If Martin would have shot Zimmerman in the face and said he feared for his life because some crazy dude was following him then started yelling at him and cursing him then ran up to him.....would you support him in his claim of "standing my ground"?

The issue here is why this situation happened in the first place, and no one can deny that the entire episode happened because Zimmerman was an idiot. He had no right to stop the kid, no right to confront him, no right to precipitate whatever actually happened. It was all his fault.....that's why the asshole needs to be prosecuted. If not, every dick in the world can simply start hitting someone, and if they dare to fight back......then shoot them in the face and go home. No problems with the law, because the law allows assholes to start fights then kill the person they attacked.

You have to be effing crazy to support that kind of crap.

Just because someone is following you doesnt give you the right to attack them.

Seriously.

Call the cops.

 

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"He had no right to stop the kid, no right to confront him, no right to precipitate whatever actually happened. It was all his fault..."


What evidence do you have that any of this happened? There is no evidence he stopped the kid. There is no evidence he confronted him.

The only thing we have is a neighborhood watch person who called police and who was going to attempt to keep his eye on the suspicious person until police arrived...from a distance. Zimmerman lost him and headed back to his car to meet police...when Trayvon confronted him and then attacked him after words from both parties.

Is there one shred of evidence to counter this story? Because I can guarantee that if there was...he would be in jail right now.

 

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He wasn't just following him. He followed him, then got out of his car and demanded the kid stop and started yelling at him and ran up to him. Big difference.

Zimmerman started this confrontation. No one denies that. Zimmerman was also the only one armed when the confrontation started, no one denies that. Without his stupid actions, none of this would have happened. He initiated the entire thing.

If you initiate a confrontation, and bring a gun, and all you have to do is goad the other person into protecting themselves, then you get to kill them and have no legal repercussions....it's a very screwed up world, and lots of people are going to die because of it. People already have.

Some guy in Florida got pissed because some kid was skate boarding across from his house, started an argument with another man over it, ran back into his house, got his gun, went back outside and got in a fight with the guy...shot him in the head and killed him. Walked away.

Some other guy in Florida saw a guy running out of his house, chased him for a couple of blocks, then stabbed him in the back. Killed him. Walked away.

Some other guy in Florida saw two guys from the gas company reading his meter, yelled at them to get the hell out of his yard, ran inside, got a shotgun, and fired at them....walked away.

It's insane. You don't get to start a fight then kill the person you started it with and have nothing happen to you. Only total idiots would support such a way of dealing with use of deadly force.

There isn't any evidence supporting your theory, either. There is no evidence that Zimmerman was heading back to his car. He gave two very different stories about his actions, so, we can't believe anything he says.

I saw this point made somewhere...be interesting to see where the skittles and iced tea were. If Martin was going to jump the guy, he would have put them down somewhere to keep his hands free. He probably wouldn't have been talking on the phone at the same time, either, but, let's set that aside. If the skittles and tea were set down somewhere a ways away from the confrontation, that would be evidence that Martin confronted Zimmerman. If not, that would indicate that Zimmerman confronted Martin.

 

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Zimmerman was on the phone with the police. They told him not to follow, he did anyway. He was talking directly to the police department, not 911, as he called the police non-emergency number. He stated that he "lost him" and the police told him to stay in his car and asked what address he was at and told him to stay on the line till the cops showed up. He responded with "Have the cops call me back when they get here" and hung up, and got out of his vehicle in an attempt to find Martin. No one disputes this account.

He went searching for Martin. Whether or not Martin threw the first punch at Zimmerman, or Zimmerman threw the first one at Martin.....Zimmerman definitely, by his own account and that of the police department, initiated the confrontation. You can't follow someone, get out of your car and search for them, then claim "I was only defending myself" when you kill them. As I stated earlier, Martin would have the same right to claim self defense under that screwed up logic if he stalked Zimmerman after he got out of the car and shot him in the back. "Fear for your life" doesn't require a physical beating, as noted in previous cases where someone killed, or attempted to kill others and used the "Stand your ground" defense and got away with it.

That's just fricken crazy.

Why do you hate Mexicans Ptilk?

 

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That makes no sense - if you created the situation then you started the fight.

Thats likesaying hitler wasnt responible for the holocaust because he didnt actuallydo the killing, he just put the suff into motion but he was completely not responsible for it.

As i said, it makes no sense and is groundless.

So, we have a vital minute that we don't know what happened. The very important minute during which the fight started and the shot was fired.

Possibilities:

Martin snuck up on Z, sucker punched him and beat his head on the sidewalk.

They came face to face, the conversation went as the girlfriend said and Martin sucker punched Z and beat his head on the sidewalk.

They came face to face, the conversation went as the girlfriend said, Z put his hand on his gun and gets in Martin's face, but, did not initiate contact. Martin reacted, there was a fight and Z shot M.

They came face to face, the conversation went as the girlfriend said and Z already had his gun drawn and he points it at Martin. M goes for it, they fight and M gets shot.

Any other possibilities?

For me, Z is definitely innocent in the first one. Stupid but innocent. If Martin had lived, he could be charged with something.

Second example, Z probably gets off, but, Martin could have made a case for standing his ground.

Other two possibilities, Z is guilty of manslaughter in one and of murder in the other.

 

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