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Remnant_OBrien  2 stars
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Bowlartz posted:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-911-call-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say

"I've run it against 300 voices and it was better than 99 percent in all cases," he told MSNBC when asked about its accuracy.

"Owen told the newspaper that the software compared the screams to Zimmerman's voice and returned a 48 percent match."
He said he would expect a match of higher than 90 percent, considering the quality of the audio.
"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen told the Sentinel.



Your failure to understand what the article says points to your failure not mine. Also omitting the direct preceding and following lines that give vital context points to finding evidence to meet your conclusions.

a 48 match% != 50/50 chance of it being Zimmerman.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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When you have eyewitness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up that's all Zimmerman needs for a self defense claim.

Zimmerman isn't going anywhere.

 

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Zimmerman needs to convicted to keep US cities from erupting into flame.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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cabbyman posted:

When you have eyewitness testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up that's all Zimmerman needs for a self defense claim.



Yes and no. What really matters is who started the fight.

There's never been any doubt they were involved in a fight on the ground. The question is who started the fight (in a legal sense, not who created the situation).
Bowlartz  1 star
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Remnant_OBrien posted:

Bowlartz posted:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-911-call-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say

"I've run it against 300 voices and it was better than 99 percent in all cases," he told MSNBC when asked about its accuracy.

"Owen told the newspaper that the software compared the screams to Zimmerman's voice and returned a 48 percent match."
He said he would expect a match of higher than 90 percent, considering the quality of the audio.
"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen told the Sentinel.



Your failure to understand what the article says points to your failure not mine. Also omitting the direct preceding and following lines that give vital context points to finding evidence to meet your conclusions.

a 48 match% != 50/50 chance of it being Zimmerman.



He states that he would "expect" at match of higher. No scientific peer review about how a human voice changes under duress. Nope, just his opinion and I quote:

""I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau told the newspaper. "That's a young man screaming.""

Hes never heard Trayvon speak. Hes never heard Zimmerman put into a life and death situation and screaming like a little girl. Nope..hes checked almost 300 voices!

I bet if I was a newspaper I could hire two, three or twenty voice experts who would say it was most certainly Zimmerman's voice. Good thing Zimmerman won't need to if it ever goes to court since he has an eyewitness to him screaming for help.

 

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Remnant_OBrien  2 stars
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You can't even keep straight the two different people cited in this article.. confusing them multiple times.

Sad.

Also [mod]ty excuses are [mod]ty. You don't have the requisite knowledge to evaluate audio analysis as a tool.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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The big question is that if it is found that Martin struck the first blow and initiated physical violence will the left here concede that Zimmerman was within his rights to defend himself as he did?

 

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MatrexMistwalker  1 star
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I think Zimmerman is probably guilty of man slaughter...but there is no way he gets a fair trial at this point.
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the_great_intex posted:

I hope the police remembered to check the area of the shooting for semen samples. I've watched enough CSI to know that no matter what semen is absolutely everywhere



 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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cabbyman posted:

The big question is that if it is found that Martin struck the first blow and initiated physical violence will the left here concede that Zimmerman was within his rights to defend himself as he did?



If Martin attacked Zimmerman and was sitting on him pummeling him repeatedly in the face I have a hard time seeing how anyone could say shooting wasn't justified.

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