VaultNetwork.netVault Network Boards
Author Topic: If Zimmmerman is convicted [Locked]
theredkay1  3 stars
Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
That would be even crazier if true. Immune from arrest just by claiming self defense?
Remnant_OBrien  2 stars
Posts: 297
Registered: 2003-5-11 17:03:52
Vydor posted:

Remnant_OBrien posted:

The DA showed up at the Sanford police station in the middle of the night to end the investigation. His actions are pretty suspect.



What makes that suspect? I'm not saying it is or isn't but I just don't know if there can be anything conclusive draw from that action. So, what to you makes it suspect?



It's not the DA's job to wake up for everyone who was arrested late at night and make sure they don't have to spend a night in jail unless they have to. It reeks of special treatment, and if he was getting special treatment in that way... well why not other ways.

 

-----signature-----
The People's Intern
"If I had a plan to kill liberals the liberals would not know about it. Until it is too late of course. I have no such plan, sleep well, sleep deeply." -Fisted
LOTRO: Windfola - Telpehta
ineenia  2 stars
Posts: 373
Registered: 2005-11-1 04:48:33
DemonicXH posted:

Remnant_OBrien posted:

I don't think there is. Find it in the statutes?



Quote:

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).




as pointed out in the past they have the authority to detain him for up to 72hr WITH-OUT charges,so that part of the law is really meaningless,and the responding officer determined there was probable cause and was overruled by the DA...

 

-----signature-----
If their stupidity didn't shelter them from the full shame of their actions,their would be alot more republican suicides.
Vydor  1 star
Posts: 248
Registered: 2001-12-24 21:14:09
Remnant_OBrien posted:

Vydor posted:

Remnant_OBrien posted:

The DA showed up at the Sanford police station in the middle of the night to end the investigation. His actions are pretty suspect.



What makes that suspect? I'm not saying it is or isn't but I just don't know if there can be anything conclusive draw from that action. So, what to you makes it suspect?



It's not the DA's job to wake up for everyone who was arrested late at night and make sure they don't have to spend a night in jail unless they have to. It reeks of special treatment, and if he was getting special treatment in that way... well why not other ways.



-nods-

OK, thanks for explaining your take on it.

 

-----signature-----
Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.
Remnant_OBrien  2 stars
Posts: 297
Registered: 2003-5-11 17:03:52
DemonicXH posted:

Remnant_OBrien posted:

I don't think there is. Find it in the statutes?



Quote:

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.


(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).




Well that statute is broad and provides incentive for not arresting. But they still arrested him.

 

-----signature-----
The People's Intern
"If I had a plan to kill liberals the liberals would not know about it. Until it is too late of course. I have no such plan, sleep well, sleep deeply." -Fisted
LOTRO: Windfola - Telpehta
Yukishiro1  4 stars
Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
eodoll posted:

That makes no sense - if you created the situation then you started the fight.


Thats likesaying hitler wasnt responible for the holocaust because he didnt actuallydo the killing, he just put the suff into motion but he was completely not responsible for it.


As i said, it makes no sense and is groundless.



It's the law. If you think it makes no sense, lobby to have it changed.


The law takes the view that even if someone is being a douche that doesn't give you the right to attack them for it and even if they "started it" by being a douche when you attack them they are allowed to defend themselves.
vn_nnanji  4 stars
Title: Outpost Music Expert
Posts: 1,964
Registered: 2001-6-30 17:22:56
Barney Fife was armed and stupid. He should be in Prison awaiting trial. If Martin had shot Zimmerman would be be walking around free? Of course not.

 

-----signature-----
DemonicXH  3 stars
Title: Camelot Vault Staff
News Editor

Posts: 584
Registered: 2003-12-1 08:14:17
Remnant_OBrien posted:

Well that statute is broad and provides incentive for not arresting. But they still arrested him.



He wasn't under arrest, he placed in handcuffs in taken to the police station for further questioning. slight difference.
Yukishiro1  4 stars
Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
vn_nnanji posted:

If Martin had shot Zimmerman would be be walking around free? Of course not.



This is true, and there wouldn't be any outrage about it either.
Ardenwolfe  2 stars
Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
Posts: 499
Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
I see. Shooting someone in the chest and killing them isn't a confrontation or its fatal ending. Check. What in the world was I thinking? And, of course, Martin is now the person following Zimmerman because . . . well, I don't know, is it because Zimmerman initiated the confrontation?

Obviously, Martin should have been more mature and walked away after a stranger, flashing a gun on his belt, follows him in the dark wanting to play cops and robbers because Zimmerman was way more mature in his actions.

. . .

Did the Twilight Zone just give me a reach-around because that makes no sense in the real world.

 

-----signature-----
Sanctimonious know-it-all.

VaultNetwork.net is an independently operated community forum and is not affiliated with, endorsed by, or technically based on IGN, GameSpy, FilePlanet, GameStats, or the former IGN/GameSpy Vault Network.
References to VaultNetwork.net mean this site/domain. VNBoards-style presentation is a visual homage only. By using this site, you agree to the forum rules.