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haeosi  1 star
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Registered: 2005-3-29 15:17:33
Faeyd_Meadowmist posted:

Just be happy you don't have to contend with scouts.


 

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Marhai
Posts: 9
Registered: 2009-10-3 03:43:05
Funny those that were once considered op'd and never complained then moan when they get knocked off their perch (say hello to my 9 sec off evade stun on an evade class).

Then again you could laugh at just how someone with stealth could ever meet these 64,000 types of cc.

Or you could read all his previous posts and know exactly what he's going to say before you open the thread.

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Cydoc  4 stars
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haeosi posted:





 

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Fanglo  1 star
Title: The Orange Tree Animist
Posts: 134
Registered: 2004-1-3 20:09:42
Hmmm looks like another player I might be able to kill on my solo healer WOOT!

Yes my healer the best CC class in the game is Solo god because I just CC people to death.
Vladasa  2 stars
Posts: 305
Registered: 2009-4-1 09:21:12
I'm never 100% certain if this kid's being serial or if he's just straight trollin'.
I want to say troll... but he comes back to his posts to defend his points to death instead of engaging people's attitude towards his stupidity... Like a standard troll.

Thus I vote he's just *that* bad.
Btw, how is an rr11 Inf being CCed all the time? Oh Oh! someone needs to stop following the zergs and adding on fights...

 

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Tunaluminous
Posts: 8
Registered: 2008-4-20 01:40:24
As a foreigner , I think its very well written and very funny . Seems some people don't know what is humor . Or are they too dumb ? I'd say jealous .
Docmandu  1 star
Posts: 240
Registered: 2005-7-12 00:54:17
I agree! Remove stealth! Or wasn't that what the OP was crying about?
_Tarel_  1 star
Posts: 77
Registered: 2003-9-7 09:04:03
He has some valid points people, you may not like what he has to say but he does have a point.

 

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Windwalkr  1 star
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Registered: 2002-7-26 11:47:42
I'd venture to say he always makes some good points, but people make it personal even if they actually agree with some of the things he says. (Shads solutions are often a bit radical, but I don't think he's all that serious about most of them.)


The fact is if you're a soloer especially, then you have got to be sick & tired of dying to constant stacking CC without any chance to ever even swing your weapon. It's bad enough that you're constantly rolled by 3-8 people or more, but it adds insult to injury when that loss comes with you totally immobile the entire fight.

The irony is that Shads an Inf, and as primarily an Alb myself I can only say that it's actually worse for Hibs & Mids soloers. With both Scouts and Minstrels having easy access to stuns, it makes Alb duos more deadly then any other realms. (Much like Hib duos involving a caster. That stun is just an 'we win' if Purge isn't up...but at least a Skald/Mini or Charge class can see them coming and hit SoS, but a Minstrel stunning you from stealth so that his Scout friend can smack you down before the Stun is over is another matter entirely.)

Case in point, my Minstrel shouldn't really have any more survivability then my Skald in any meaningful regard they are virtually identical (chain, ablative, etc.), in fact it should be less since Skalds get Parry and a few more HPs, but the reality is that my Skald faces stuns from especially Alb Rogues at least 3x as much as my Minstrel does from Hib/Mid Rogues. (Not to mention my pet can interrupt at least one archer even while I'm stunned.)

It is the same for my NS & Ranger; you basically need Purge3 just to START enjoying the class. That's RR4 right there and means no SoS or IP for the Skald, major life-saving abilities that any RR4 Minstrel is sure to have. So you have to have a thick skin to be a solo Hib/Mid low RR facing Alb Rogues, but even at high RR that 5m Purge timer will still not be enough Purge in many many cases.


I think many people have suggested this in the past, but I think Purge should at the very least provide the Purger with a 5-10s immunity to all other forms of CC. It isn't much, but it's a start in the right direction and allows you to at least react after pressing Purge. (I mean who doesn't hate that old trick where you Purge a 40+ second mess because you'd like to be part of a fight, only to instantly get stunned & gunned? Yeah shouldn't have done that, but the reverse is pretty much the same. Get stunned you Purge it, get messed for 40s. You're outta the fight either way, and unlikely to be alive after the mess expires. Why should I fear puring a CC that renders me entirely useless for 30-40 seconds?)

The problem is of course that in group-based play CC is pretty balanced and has many counters, but it just destroys soloers or ungrouped rag-tags, making it far too easy to farm people who are unable to get groups. (For a variety of reasons ranging from class choice, to personal reasons.)

I also think that if you die within about 2-3 seconds of having Purged, it should reset the Purge timer. (If it didn't do squat for you, why add insult to injury and make the player wait out the RuT?)


Another good option IMO would be if all classes got access to Determination, but also make melee stuns reduced in duration by Det as well (only Det! Not Stoic!). At least that would give players the option to purchase significant CC reduction if they're willing to spend the RPs. It wouldn't be free, but at least you'd have something to look forward to down the road knowing that CC won't always be the bane of your class' existence.

 

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Vladasa  2 stars
Posts: 305
Registered: 2009-4-1 09:21:12
Windwalkr posted:

I'd venture to say he always makes some good points, but people make it personal even if they actually agree with some of the things he says. (Shads solutions are often a bit radical, but I don't think he's all that serious about most of them.)
The fact is if you're a soloer especially, then you have got to be sick & tired of dying to constant stacking CC without any chance to ever even swing your weapon.. It's bad enough that you're constantly rolled by 3-8 people or more, but it adds insult to injury when that loss comes with you totally immobile the entire fight.



I mean; when you solo... you're out 1vXing. This game wasn't meant to be a solo game (as you can tell by the recent Dev events, that was literally like Zergamania X). CC is a critical part of this game; just because solo's and small mans are dying to it, doesn't mean it needs a fix.
When you're playing with a decent group, CC is an easy fix (cure, shouts, det & charge).

You can't look into the solo game in DAoC for "fixes" or problems.

 

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