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Windwalkr Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Registered: 2002-7-26 11:47:42
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Elric, don't feed us half-truths here. Post your temp and I bet you it's simple a melee oriented temp with 10% RP, probably even Baldes? Yes, these are used by all 3 Assassins these days, but 10% RP alone does not a Caster Shade make!
A tiny yet rather critical aspect of Slazjers table on maximizing casting speed, is of course the Casting Speed ToA bonus. Now how much of that is in your temp? This is a 3.0 SPD spell, and if you're running ~0% Casting speed then this spell is casting dog slow.
How is your DEX? If it's not at least 374 DEX (assuming 10% SPD) then you're again losing ~10% off the max casting speed you can attain. (Which a true Nuker NS is going to do at all cost.)
Lastly, you know exactly what he means about RA choices. Viper is a much better buy for boosting your poison damage then MoM & WP. However, you need MoM & WP to attain anywhere near the damage values posted by the OP.
Even with 400+ DEX my R4 fully Caster oriented NS was averaging 260-280 in RvR.
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beetee1111 Posts: 6
Registered: 2006-4-21 13:22:42
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Also, which only applies to me, is the fact that i am old and slow which makes me a horrible player!
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elric_1977 Posts: 82
Registered: 2010-1-17 04:48:05
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Windwalkr posted:
Elric, don't feed us half-truths here.
You know, I never met anyone with such as talent for 'winning' non-existant arguements by simply boring the other person so much they cba even replying to you 90% of the time.
Spit it out, exactly what half-truths am I feeding you, feel free to leave out all the extraneous details if possible.
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Awsten's wisdom.
How does 10% magic damage and 10% spell pierce add up to 23% more damage in poisons?
Hey genius, how about this, Point blank is a 3 sec spell and so is the nightshade nuke.
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elric_1977 Posts: 82
Registered: 2010-1-17 04:48:05
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But....Nightshades DD nuke can't kill anyone! I swear! |
Thbbb posted:
I thought nightshade spell damage was based on strength. Did they change that?
Yes, changed in the assassin loving patch to dex, aside from giving all shades a boost, it was probably meant as an extra sweetener for luri/elf shades with the introduction of celt nightshades.
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Awsten's wisdom.
How does 10% magic damage and 10% spell pierce add up to 23% more damage in poisons?
Hey genius, how about this, Point blank is a 3 sec spell and so is the nightshade nuke.
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Cydoc Title: Final Fantasy Vault SM
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Oh wow, I didn't know that. I thought it was still based off strength. Doesn't matter as im not a big NS fan but still nice to know.
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beetee1111 posted:
Also, which only applies to me, is the fact that i am old and slow which makes me a horrible player!
I am even worse
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elric_1977 Posts: 82
Registered: 2010-1-17 04:48:05
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Cydoc posted:
Oh wow, I didn't know that. I thought it was still based off strength. Doesn't matter as im not a big NS fan but still nice to know.
Yeah, works out pretty well, with naturally high dex, and with items like astral pants, des neckie and mydraxis cloaks in your template, casting damage is not to be sneezed at.
Especially as we spend zero spec points for it
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Awsten's wisdom.
How does 10% magic damage and 10% spell pierce add up to 23% more damage in poisons?
Hey genius, how about this, Point blank is a 3 sec spell and so is the nightshade nuke.
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Windwalkr Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Registered: 2002-7-26 11:47:42
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Date Posted:
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But....Nightshades DD nuke can't kill anyone! I swear! |
elric_1977 posted:
Windwalkr posted:
Elric, don't feed us half-truths here.
You know, I never met anyone with such as talent for 'winning' non-existant arguements by simply boring the other person so much they cba even replying to you 90% of the time.
Spit it out, exactly what half-truths am I feeding you, feel free to leave out all the extraneous details if possible.
lol, I'll take that as a concession that you didn't actually have an argument, and just wanted to troll this thread with miss leading info. If you speak english at all, and have the reading comprehension of a 5th grader, then you know exactly what half-truths I was talking about.
You may have a NS, but it ain't a Nuker NS and it ain't nuking for 373 a pop, and certainly not at ~1.4 SPD. (Because you don't have 10% Casting SPD and probably not 374 DEX in your temp, and still retain decent melee!)
I'm calling you out saying that you're most likely talking about a Blades temp with 10% RP, which is a far cry from a Nuker NS. You don't have the SPD, nor the DEX to reach decent casting speeds, so the 10% RP is irrelevant. (Not to mention you probably lack at least 4-6% magic damage.)
Lastly, I also highly doubt you have MoM4+ and WP4+, as I'm willing to bet the NS in that SS in the OP had.
Now is that easy enough for you to understand, or do you need me to get "Hooked on Phonics!" for you?
~373 damage a pop (plus lucky crits now and then) from a 3.0 SPD spell against an un-/poorly- temped target, when casted by a RR10 Luri NS who is absolutely maxed out for casting DPS, is not exactly a solid foundation for a VN nerf crusade.
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elric_1977 Posts: 82
Registered: 2010-1-17 04:48:05
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Ohh, you're calling me out? That's scary stuff.
Spit it out longwindedwalker, what half-truths and trolling?
The text is all above on one handy page, quote away.
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Awsten's wisdom.
How does 10% magic damage and 10% spell pierce add up to 23% more damage in poisons?
Hey genius, how about this, Point blank is a 3 sec spell and so is the nightshade nuke.
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