I wonder if it will dwindle down like Mordred did.

 

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It's heading that way.

 

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EA Mythic is legendary for their bad business decisions. Expect them to continue making those piss poor decisions until the servers shut down. The Mythic response to everything is ignore and deny the customer majority at the expense of the long term health of the game. There are many many small things the dev team could implement to boost the game, but they refuse. Its not the lack of feedback, its not that they dont know. These people are running the game into the ground, and even on the day that the servers shut down they'll pat each other on the back and tell themselves that they knew best for the game....as they look for new jobs. Way to go Mythic!

It's a deep seated sickness with Mythic. They despise and hate their customers, not only ignoring them, but often doing just the opposite of what their customers want, just to spite them.

Can you cite one specific example of anything Mythic has done that the majority of the player base didn't ask for? I'm not talking about a specific thing you didn't want.

 

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That is a silly, old and very tired excuse.


There are many dozens of boards out there that have discussed DAoC issues over the years and on those boards there have been hundreds of thousands of posts. If someone wanted to they could probably find some post somewhere that corresponded to almost any change that Mythic has made over the years.


Just because almost any change to the game can be found in some form, somewhere, on some board, does not mean Mythic ever even saw it.


There is a much better test.


Lets look at sensible things players asked for and Mythic lied to the players about not being able to put it in. Or lets look at things players begged for and Mythic ignored the players.


We have player controlled horses now but for about 6 years Mythic said it could not be coded, yet from day one of the game we had shape shifting, speed, graphics of players on a horse. The game had all the code necessary to show a player on a horse, give it some speed, and cancel it when entering combat yet for far too long Mythic lied about it. Yep Mythic sure listens to its players.


Players begged for stacking pots. For years and years players begged and begged for stacking pots but Mythic said it could not be coded. Then GAO coded barrels into the game. If GAO had not coded barrels into the game we would still not have stacking pots. Yep Mythic sure listens to its players.


Ever read Mythic responses to a TL report? Pick any one of the TL reports and you will find Mythic’s comments condescending and patronizing. Once when the Mythic responses to the TL reports were taking exceptionally long to get out, Sanya posted apologetically and giving as a reason for the delay that, it was taking so long because she has to go to each department and read the report out loud because otherwise the reports would not be read.


The different developers cared so little about what players thought, that the developers had to be forced to pay attention to the TL reports. Remember that the TL reports were the best, condensed and concise short list of the things considered most important to the players, yet developers had to be forced to even give lip service to the TL report. Yep Mythic sure listens to its players.


Players have been begging for mail for over a decade. Yep Mythic sure listens to its players.


It is not an important thing that players asked for but it is another stupid Mythic lie. At one point players begged Mythic to be allowed to have duals in the housing areas. Mythic said they never considered battling in housing so the code to fight had not even been created for housing and as such it was not as if they could "flip a switch" and allow duals in housing.


Then some players found an exploit that allowed them to get into the enemy housing area. The players used the exploit, entered the enemy housing area and killed horse taxi vendors, killed many CMs and killed many players they ran across. But the code for fighting in housing was not supposed to even exist in housing.


Then there were all the stupid things players never asked for like:


OP gear, gear that obviously upset balance, put in an Xpac just to sell more Xpacs and then only adjusted down after a year or so, after Mythic felt enough Xpacs were sold. I do not think you can find many posts where sane players asked for this.


OP classes with OP abilities, classes/abilities that upset balance and caused game harm, put in an Xpac just to sell more Xpacs and then only adjusted down after a year or so, after Mythic felt enough Xpacs were sold. I do not think you can find many posts where sane players asked for this.


I have read where players are blamed for TOA because players asked for more epic PVE, as if some generic suggestion like, “More epic PvE” = TOA and all the stupidity that initially came with TOA. Only an existentialist could make that silly leap.


I read just last week where players were blamed for New Frontiers because players supposedly asked for it. Players asked for adjustments to the Frontiers. Players asked for problems in the Frontiers to be addressed. Players never said, “We want all of Frontiers to be thrown out. We want something completely new. When I log in one day I want to be surprised with a Frontiers that is so different it is almost a new and different game that I never played before. We most certainly want lots of water areas with exceptionally long, long, long, long and boring boat rides. Etc . . .” It never happened, never in this reality did it happen.


Also, even if there were some cases where a schizophrenic psychopath wrote in some wild and wacko idea that could do nothing but harm the game, unless the schizophrenic psychopath went to Mythic’s board room and took hostages, the schizophrenic psychopath is not responsible for what coders and developers put into the game.


When Mythic considered, analyzed, coded and tested a schizophrenic and psychopathic change to the game, that is all on Mythic. No one ever forced Mythic to code any suggestions. Unless you can show where some players stormed Mythic HQ, took hostages and forced those at Mythic to code schizophrenic and psychotic things into the game, Mythic is responsible for any changes.


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For any that watched Mythic actions over the years, there is abundant evidence that the only time Mythic even attempted to try and figure out what players wanted was when the exodus took place. Even after the exodus began Mythic did not really listen to what players asked for. Even then Mythic did not fix things as players requested but slapped band-aids on things and continued to ignore other important problems.

 

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The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is.
Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can,
and keep moving. - Ulysses S. Grant
Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato

Mythics cost cutting on servers and refusal to address lag when they switched to Ywain are really hurting the game and they like to pretend its not their problem even though most of us are experiencing much worse lag issues now than we did 10 years ago when we used dated technology and had slower connections.

Not going to quote your whole post there Semi.

I think you're mistaking Mythic prioritizing things for lying. They are two very seperate things. I'm also wondering how much you actually know about coding video games. Just because you have bits of pieces of things doesn't mean that you can just "flip a switch" and add things instantly.

Comparing dueling to combat between the realms and PvE combat is comparing apples to Volkswagens. Nothing about the way things are checked for those fights is the same.

There were a lot of things that were good ideas on the team lead reports but there were a lot of stupid overpowered abilities or just goofy things in general like asking for a donkey for friars on those things too.

NF came out after the game population was polled about what they wanted.
ToA came out after the game population was polled about what they wanted.
Housing came out after the game population was polled about what they wanted.
The archery changes that angryranger is still harping on came about after a ton of griping on the TL reports and it does exactly what the population was asking for at the time. They wanted magic shots and steady damage. Mythic gave it to us and people are still griping about it to this day.

Just because Mythic didn't implement things/suggestions/population desires in what a minority of the population would consider the best way doesn't mean they were lying to the players or ignoring them in any way.

 

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How is saying implementation of something is impossible and then implementing it not a lie? If they were so adamant to say that its impossible, then they are intentionally deceiving their customers so that they will stop asking about it.

I was around during the toa hype. I tested it. People were definitely NOT asking for more pve levelling. They were NOT asking for more op'd trinkets and must haves. They WERE asking for more rvr content. They were NOT asking to spread rvr out over massive spaces to dilute it. Most were NOT asking for keep fires, etc to warn of invasions.


People were NOT asking for stupidly OPd new classes. People were NOT asking for the requirement to run 2-4 accounts just to compete on one character. Archer classes were most definitely NOT asking for the caster abomination we got. We weren't asking for pig herding, goofy hats and the other things they wasted their time on.