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Silver_Songman  1 star
Posts: 59
Registered: 2010-8-31 08:58:59
Smallcl posted:

Silver_Songman posted:

It has become the norm, and that is why one must cheat to win.



I don't cheat and I can still win.


You just must be bad, sir.



Right, because I said "me" at any point in there. It was a generalized statement.

Then again, I'm no pro like y-...who are you again?
Semi4  3 stars
Posts: 566
Registered: 2003-8-8 13:58:29
Silver_Songman posted:

Smallcl posted:

Silver_Songman posted:

It has become the norm, and that is why one must cheat to win.



I don't cheat and I can still win.


You just must be bad, sir.



Right, because I said "me" at any point in there. It was a generalized statement.

Then again, I'm no pro like y-...who are you again?



[colorurple]"Right, because I said "me" at any point in there."[/color]


Actually, you did.


That phraseology includes you as part of the "One".


"One":

Used as a substitute for the pronoun I, as in “Mother had been ailing for many months, and one should have realized it”.

 

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Silver_Songman  1 star
Posts: 59
Registered: 2010-8-31 08:58:59
Semi4 posted:

Silver_Songman posted:

Smallcl posted:

Silver_Songman posted:



It has become the norm, and that is why one must cheat to win.



I don't cheat and I can still win.


You just must be bad, sir.



Right, because I said "me" at any point in there. It was a generalized statement.

Then again, I'm no pro like y-...who are you again?



[colorurple]"Right, because I said "me" at any point in there."[/color]


Actually, you did.


That phraseology includes you as part of the "One".


"One":

Used as a substitute for the pronoun I, as in “Mother had been ailing for many months, and one should have realized it”.






I was clearly referring to Neo.
Smallcl
Posts: 22
Registered: 2011-4-8 15:47:42
It was obvious, you included yourself in that statement.

Btw.

I'm nobody.

Haven't played in almost 6 years, xferd my toons yesterday. and did fine today. no cheats, so obviously, even with a template consisting of artifacts and sc'ed armor with no bonuses... one does not need to cheat to win.


If you still think your "i need to cheat to win" logic holds water, perhaps its just an excuse so you can cheat and not lose so much.
Morgash  1 star
Posts: 141
Registered: 2003-1-28 20:53:00
Thbbb posted:

Mythic built the game around cheating to make more money. Buffbots are cheating. They give you an unfair advantage over another player. Sure you had to pay for that bonus with another account. But radar wasn't free either. It took a yearly subscription. So Mythic really only hates cheating that doesn't make them any money. They should just add radar to your account if you pay an extra 5 bucks a month.



Great point sir

For those of us who remember the game before buffbots became the standard, know that the above statement really makes a strong point. Buffbots hurt this game in several ways. But most of us have already been down that road before, so no sense in bringing all that up.

The OP is asking why people have to cheat to win. Were you just born yesterday? Did someone get smacked around by a cheating player? Or did someone /face cast on you, and it looked like lag casting and you blamed him for cheating instead of understanding what really happened: You got beat?

Most players don't cheat. You have to know this. Yet, if you're older than 18 you should know by now that some people will always choose the path of least resistance - this is especially true in situations where you can hide behind anonymity - but you know that already, don't you?

 

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ArkadyTepes  3 stars
Posts: 510
Registered: 2004-1-10 11:08:57
Morgash posted:

Thbbb posted:

Mythic built the game around cheating to make more money. Buffbots are cheating. They give you an unfair advantage over another player. Sure you had to pay for that bonus with another account. But radar wasn't free either. It took a yearly subscription. So Mythic really only hates cheating that doesn't make them any money. They should just add radar to your account if you pay an extra 5 bucks a month.



Great point sir

For those of us who remember the game before buffbots became the standard, know that the above statement really makes a strong point. Buffbots hurt this game in several ways. But most of us have already been down that road before, so no sense in bringing all that up.



i've started playing daoc when it first released... and a week after i started, i created a second account... to run a cleric with my cabalist so i could buff my pet and still spec for combat spells on the cabalist...

so exactly when was this time without buffbots? ...

 

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Silver_Songman  1 star
Posts: 59
Registered: 2010-8-31 08:58:59
Smallcl posted:

It was obvious, you included yourself in that statement.


Btw.


I'm nobody.


Haven't played in almost 6 years, xferd my toons yesterday. and did fine today. no cheats, so obviously, even with a template consisting of artifacts and sc'ed armor with no bonuses... one does not need to cheat to win.


If you still think your "i need to cheat to win" logic holds water, perhaps its just an excuse so you can cheat and not lose so much.



So you are saying that those that cheat have no advantage over those that do not? Interesting.

Just to clear it up, no I don't use cheats (other than bot, if you consider it cheating) and can still compete but its definitely not a for-sure win situation.

The paragraph post earlier was breaking down the mentality of cheating as a social norm and not a defense for it as you seem to think.

If you want to think that it is an indication of my in-game behavior, there's nothing I can really do about that.

You'll see what you want to apparently, even if that means that everyone that doesn't flat out come up and say "Cheating is bad and those that cheat will never win!" is a cheater. Go back and re-read the post. You'll see it wasn't a defense for cheating as much as an analysis of why it is so rampant in the game these days.
Morgash  1 star
Posts: 141
Registered: 2003-1-28 20:53:00
ArkadyTepes posted:

Morgash posted:

Thbbb posted:

Mythic built the game around cheating to make more money. Buffbots are cheating. They give you an unfair advantage over another player. Sure you had to pay for that bonus with another account. But radar wasn't free either. It took a yearly subscription. So Mythic really only hates cheating that doesn't make them any money. They should just add radar to your account if you pay an extra 5 bucks a month.



Great point sir

For those of us who remember the game before buffbots became the standard, know that the above statement really makes a strong point. Buffbots hurt this game in several ways. But most of us have already been down that road before, so no sense in bringing all that up.



i've started playing daoc when it first released... and a week after i started, i created a second account... to run a cleric with my cabalist so i could buff my pet and still spec for combat spells on the cabalist...

so exactly when was this time without buffbots? ...



Are you really this dense, or are you just trying to be obtuse?

There is a clear distinction between running with a buffing class (even if its your own) and parking a bot somewhere where there is practically no risk of danger but you gain all the benefits. I'm talking pvp, mind you. Having a buffing class tag along with you is not the same thing as a bot.

People started running bots for the same reason people exploited strafing and run-thru. The same reason they exploit geometry issues in the game - to get an unfair advantage over another player.

And that competitive nature which will take advantage of any means necessary to win is what the OP has issues with. Buffbots should have been squelched when it became clear they were an issue. Mythic even stated it was a problem, but instead of stopping the cheating, they just took the dirty money and the game was irrevocably changed in a way it was never intended to be.

And that is why I appreciated Thbbb's comment.

 

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Smallcl
Posts: 22
Registered: 2011-4-8 15:47:42
Silver_Songman posted:

Smallcl posted:

It was obvious, you included yourself in that statement.

Btw.

I'm nobody.

Haven't played in almost 6 years, xferd my toons yesterday. and did fine today. no cheats, so obviously, even with a template consisting of artifacts and sc'ed armor with no bonuses... one does not need to cheat to win.


If you still think your "i need to cheat to win" logic holds water, perhaps its just an excuse so you can cheat and not lose so much.



So you are saying that those that cheat have no advantage over those that do not? Interesting.
Just to clear it up, no I don't use cheats (other than bot, if you consider it cheating) and can still compete but its definitely not a for-sure win situation.
The paragraph post earlier was breaking down the mentality of cheating as a social norm and not a defense for it as you seem to think.
If you want to think that it is an indication of my in-game behavior, there's nothing I can really do about that.
You'll see what you want to apparently, even if that means that everyone that doesn't flat out come up and say "Cheating is bad and those that cheat will never win!" is a cheater. Go back and re-read the post. You'll see it wasn't a defense for cheating as much as an analysis of why it is so rampant in the game these days.



actually no I'm not. I'm saying only bads need to cheat to compete. And your in game behavior was stated by you earlier, so do your thing.

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