Can't really agree with taking anything away from bards. Especially something that would alter the most common spec. Right now people go 44/37/32 because of that greater and the Red Spec Af. Taking away the greater would force bards to choose to lose the Red Af and go up to 33 for a weaker heal or lose completely lose access to the greaters and drop down at least 1 tier of heal spec.





I agree with your basic analysis but you have to keep in mind that the vast majority of people who play wardens aren't going to like that change. The warden crowd would/has asked for 2h weapons far more than they will ever ask for more healing capabilities. Just a quick look at how people template wardens tells you that none of them want to be primary healers. Sure some 8v8 oriented people would roll or respec or retemplate a few but I think the overall result of your suggested change would be to piss off bards, piss off wardens and still haven't really made a casters pet clearing life much different except that in theory you could distribute it 1x more by replacing the theoretical 4th support with a a caster.


Granting wardens access to greater heals might be able to stand on it's own right now given the shield slam change is a perceived nerf and would be the way I'd suggest going.

 

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as someone who loves wardens i would never want 2h

 

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Warden was my main on Mordred for a LONG time before Catacombs release. As someone who was opposed to the last major round of Warden changes, what with the HoT and the shield spec and the celerity and all that nonsense that made them not an underdog, I can honestly say that if Mythic makes them any more powerful in Melee I'll have lost all faith in their ability to run and update a game.

After those changes, my "IT'S OK I'M A SUPPORT HEALER" kill macro meant nothing.

 

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(I'm not a fan of pyramid quoting obv).

I'll first point out that I do not think the eld needs buffing.

Baseline stun is ok. TBH in 8v8 I prefer root but it has it's places (keep defence is a winner for stun).
The AE mez is shite. When I barded I regularly kick light elds for beating my bard to the mezz. They were bound to (higher dex) and yet it gives every man and his dog mezz immunity (or at least used to) as it lasted for no time at all in comparison to a bard mezz.
The 'high' nuke is no higher than what a high body sorc (with cabbie synergy ), air theurg (I wouldn't group one but some people do) - less than a dark runie (though if I was a mid I'd probably not go 47 rc for debuff synergy with a sm) and is no where near the dps value of a wizzie (who can debuff their own dmg to boot).
Even a mind sorc will have a decent enough AoE dex/quick debuff and a good str/con debuff - a body sorc obviously get's that swapped around (hazy on mids as I only fight them...)
AE diseae (even subspec'd is a plus) but I'm still not seeing where this almighty caster is coming from. They're a solid caster (hibs only one) that is on a par with the other realms solid casters (sm/rm + cabbie/sorc). What they lack is not an eld lacking - they lack synergy with the chanter as either the chanter needs to double debuff or the eld has to use it's baseline nuke. You can argue that a tri-spec or spirit spec cabbie and a mind spec'd sorc are both using their baseline damage but then neither is spec'd for damage while a mana chanter + light eld means one is spec'd for debuff + baseline (chanter) and the eld is spec'd for dmg (though it's cold).





1. Yes and even a low level one is fine.
2. They're ok (debuff pet and dot pet are both useful in a given situation - ML9'd leather pet isn't as uber as it once was). They're no BD or theurg pet though.
3. Please enlighten me. The ASD is a great tool - but not as good as a theurgs if you're spec'd to debuff. MoC pb can be great when you're body guarded (and playing against people that can't interrupt through bg and will keep trying to hit you). You can split spec a chanter effectively enough but then you lose the debuff potential for either a light ment of a light eld. They have no ranged interrupt comparable to most other casters but they don't have the pet abilities of a BD (which does suffer the same issue). If I've missed something playing the chanter then let me know. Could be that I got far to comfy playing my bard all those years on EU and when I switched up I just thought #meheee#. (Though playing old style bard and then finding the chanter a bag of bones could say something about either the class or me).

a) zealot pet dot interrupts every tick
b) instant damage debuff interrupts which allows you(with the pet) to keep up to 3 people interrupted using your staff

 

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back in the day it did and they have re-broken it a number of times but no it doesn't.

 

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i tested it with a friend yesterday it still works

 

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i thought the only thing they nerfed was them hitting you without los?

 

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lol

 

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Duh, Mr. Obvious. How does that make a gray con pet any better? Especially since Nature Druids are not that common, so you have two limited gray con pets.





No, I don't think anything, I know what stengths Chanter pets have(any pet dot interupts each tick btw), the problem is the pet is dealt with far too easily.





Again, wrong. If you think they have anywhere near the utility of an Eld or Ment or most other casters you're nuts. If the debuff interupts it's broken(again), it's not supposed to.