Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
I seem to suck, what am I doing wrong?
I always took my thane out to a place where I can find grey con mobs with enough hit points to survive one strike.
From there I can determine what my base damage is for an unstyled strike.
and then I can test all of my styles and record my maximum possible damage for those styles.
Then I would go rvr and record what my damage was in the field.
Then, after I got done crying, I would ask some warriors what they usually hit for on average with a 1h and a 2h.
Then I rolled my warrior. ':-)
Boring point blank combat fighter. Increased weapon damage was nice, but not so overpowering like I expected. ( well kinda, he was a troll, I hit for max damage all the time, just slow as all get out, and I have to chase everyone )
right back to my thane. More fun. Versatility ftw. Atleast I had something to do attacking keeps besides hacking the door. And I had something to do during keep defense. Rarely got grouped, so it was fun engaging in the challenge of keeping up with the zerg, fighting on the edges, trying to stay alive solo, surrounded by 8 fgs of realmates.
and nothing is more satisfying than not getting group, running out on no speed, catching up at the middle gate, getting attacked by some enemeies and wind up being the sole survivor. Trying to limp back to the pk before I get perfed or an arrow in the back. And then ask those guys if there all buffed up and ready to try it again, I'm tired of waiting on them. ':-)
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
I seem to suck, what am I doing wrong?
I just plugged the numbers into the char builder. I picked troll and specced 50 sword for warrior, thane and zerker. I changed no other settings in the char planner.
Thane WS: 1551 (Troll warrior with 0 sword was 1518, just for reference sake, and zerker was 1452)
Warrior WS: 2138
Berserker WS: 2045
As you can see, the Thane is just slightly better then a warrior who has nothing specced into sword...after putting 50 points into sword.
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Sword anytime style: medium to-hit bonus, 45 dd proc
Even though the axe dd proc is nice you have to keep in mind that you will be landing your anytime style a lot more than your follow-up style, which is why I recommended sword (in another thread).
People often think of a Thane as a tank with spells, but perhaps it is better to think of it as a caster with melee weapons. You will never dominate other melee classes with pure melee no matter how much you boost your stats.
Sword anytime style: medium to-hit bonus, 45 dd proc
Even though the axe dd proc is nice you have to keep in mind that you will be landing your anytime style a lot more than your follow-up style, which is why I recommended sword (in another thread).
People often think of a Thane as a tank with spells, but perhaps it is better to think of it as a caster with melee weapons. You will never dominate other melee classes with pure melee no matter how much you boost your stats.
There's a lot of truth to this too. Thanes are uber AE inturrupters in groups. The radius on Command Mjollnir (400) is disgusting for inturrupts, and it's 163 delve which is pretty decent damage. For reference, that's a better radius then I have on my AOE mez (350). I've had thanes hit my sorc for north of 475 with it. I see hammers and I want to put those hookers down with a quickness, because they tend to F me over royally, and their range (1600) is better then my sorc's DD's (1500). Playing in the lab where there are tight quarters, thane ranged interrupts reign supreme.
if I was to ever pull my thane out of retirement (I loathe midgard atm, even though the thane was my first class and Aerengar dates to a week after release after I deleted my first thane to change his name) I'd spec 50 Storm 44 weapon and 35 shield (for the side stun). I wouldnt even look at Axe tbh, I'd rather have the reliability of a proc every swing then a big one that requires me to land two hits in a row. Polar rift also has a good growthrate, and sword has a superior selection of weapons.
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Sword anytime style: medium to-hit bonus, 45 dd proc
Even though the axe dd proc is nice you have to keep in mind that you will be landing your anytime style a lot more than your follow-up style, which is why I recommended sword (in another thread).
People often think of a Thane as a tank with spells, but perhaps it is better to think of it as a caster with melee weapons. You will never dominate other melee classes with pure melee no matter how much you boost your stats.
There's a lot of truth to this too. Thanes are uber AE inturrupters in groups. The radius on Command Mjollnir (400) is disgusting for inturrupts, and it's 163 delve which is pretty decent damage. For reference, that's a better radius then I have on my AOE mez (350). I've had thanes hit my sorc for north of 475 with it. I see hammers and I want to put those hookers down with a quickness, because they tend to F me over royally, and their range (1600) is better then my sorc's DD's (1500). Playing in the lab where there are tight quarters, thane ranged interrupts reign supreme.
if I was to ever pull my thane out of retirement (I loathe midgard atm, even though the thane was my first class and Aerengar dates to a week after release after I deleted my first thane to change his name) I'd spec 50 Storm 44 weapon and 35 shield (for the side stun). I wouldnt even look at Axe tbh, I'd rather have the reliability of a proc every swing then a big one that requires me to land two hits in a row. Polar rift also has a good growthrate, and sword has a superior selection of weapons.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
I seem to suck, what am I doing wrong?
I will probably stick with my Thane as I just feel like he is fun and the type of character I am looking for.
Sword info is interesting. If I had that anytime DD sword move I could still have slam? Even nerfed slam is better than no stun i suppose and considering I et mowed down before i get an axe combo off stun would really help. I find the positionals nearly impossible to pull of unless I am in the middle of a giant zerg and someone isnt paying attention to me. I definatly am going to start treating him a bit more like a caster who can melee as opposed to vice versa. So maybe 50 axe isnt the best option like I thought? Even though the dps from second chain is insane.
Two more questions!~
On my first axe combo it says defense:low penalty, and on another move I have it says defense:low bonus..... does this mean that my first one my opponent gets a low penalty (better for me) and if my move says bonus then it gives him a small defense bonus (bad for me?)
Second question, does the RA mastery of concentration make it so you cannot be interupted for the 20 second or so duration? This seems like a VERY good skill if it is.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
I seem to suck, what am I doing wrong?
Defense: Low Penalty, actually means you have a slightly higher chance of taking a hit from the mob you are attacking. I'm not clear as to if it just refers to "miss" calculations or also lowers parry and block chances too. Of all the years playing with these styles, I can say with confidence it is a very very small effect. Now to-hit: high/low/med only really seemed important when trying to land hits on mobs in the red/purp range when solo. Its why the sword taunt used to piss me off. It had a low to-hit bonus, and inevitably the mob would jump on my healer and I would whiff a good three times before peeling it off him. I do believe they changed it a few years back to give it a better to-hit.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
I seem to suck, what am I doing wrong?
Docmandu posted: No played cleric will have the +24% energy resist buff, since that's at 48 pts into enhancement.. so only buffbots will have that one. Hence the difference between a hib group without a warden and an alb group, will be 6% energy resists (+10% CL vs +16% cleric resists)
Once again, not reading the specifics of what I wrote. ~50% (Do you know what ~ means?) 26 + 16 + any secondary will be around your 50 zone; this is me trying to explain to him why he's only doing half the damage >.>. Using the Cleric was my example of why damage was being reduced.
Also, we all know that in zergs everyone keeps us their champ resists... >.>. Just sayin'.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
I seem to suck, what am I doing wrong?
I'm in agreement. Nerfed slam is better than no slam at all. Slam is your friend, your only form of crowd control. And if a thane is surounded by 1 person, you are crowded. It's nice to peel with too, if you have a tank on your caster/nuker. And you should be in the back, with guard on someone, keeping an eye out for tanks on your support, and enemy casters on the fringe.
If your not getting to implement your spec lvl 50 axe style. It's just one more reason not to be spec lvl 50.
Yes, you can have your anytime dd sword style and shield slam. I believe the sword style is spec lvl 34.
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I looked over the styles a little more. I see that sword styles aren't as pve friendly as axe and hammer. Less reactionals, and a weak stun.
Axe really does look appealing, but you will more often than not, only get the first style of a chain off. I think you are realizing that now.
In my experience the rear positional was the one I got off the most <---- there is some good opportunity for a joke at my expense. I always spammed provoke/conquer. Provoke has low end usage, and if my opponent turned to run, Conquer would fire off instead, followd by Sledgehammer when I had it. ( ah, I remember now, quite often, 33% of the time, provoke with a .5 ish growth rate would hit harder than sledge at .94 growth, the evidence of low weapon skill.)
and I notice as much as everyone likes the damage of Sledgehammer, the second style hammer rear chain, the Conquer style has a low growth rate. Swords has a much more powerful rear positional chain, AND the 150 dd in on spec lvl 50 sword Ragnorok, the follow up style to the rear chain opener. So if you really wanted to keep a lvl 50 weapon spec, swords look like the way to go.
As for styles that lower your defense... I just don't know how much that really hurts in present day rvr. When I was mid 40's I was able to take it to a hammer skald that provoked on me. But if he used regular attacks I had a harder time landing on him. T
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Once again, not reading the specifics of what I wrote. ~50% (Do you know what ~ means?) 26 + 16 + any secondary will be around your 50 zone; this is me trying to explain to him why he's only doing half the damage >.>. Using the Cleric was my example of why damage was being reduced.