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Crenshinabon
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So I have been asking a lot of questions on boards and I feel like I have learned a lot about this game. I am really enjoying most of what this game has to offer. 3 sided RvR is so unique.

Anyways here is my problem. I am level 50, RR3, Champ level 3. Almost full dragon gear. Most maxed stats.
I am a Norde Thane, and I just seem to perform sub par at anything I try to do albeit melee or casting.

I am using a one hand with shield and seem to miss sooo much against anything orange or higher in con. And don't even get me started in RvR. All I will say in RvR I seem to hit like a wet noodle. Also my spells seem to have like a 50% resist rate.

My stats unbuffed I am sittin at 234 str. (maxed +101)
Weapon skill and spells are both also capped at +12.

Self buffed my STR sits at 327. My main problem is just that it seems like I miss way more often than I should going against both players and npcs.

My strength is the main stat I have gone beyond the cap with the +101 (additions beyond cap) My other stats are all just maxed (including piety), but I figured 10-20 dex would not make that much of a difference?

What is my problem?
Thanks for the time.
Koikoy
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Crenshinabon posted:

I am a ... Thane



I suspect the answer begins there.
Crenshinabon
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Aww, surely being a Thane has nothing to do with my miss / resist rate? I like the general abilities and everything I get as a Thane.
Vyxar  2 stars
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Ahh the joys of buffing.

Your self buff is the Str/Con buff and you are hitting the 93 cap value of it so that's good.

Be aware that in daoc there are several other buffs that virtually everyone in RvR will have at level 50.

Spec buffs:

Str/Con (93) <--- as a thane you get this one free.
Dex/Qui (93)
Acuity (81)
Haste (20%)
SpecAF (I don't remember if/what this caps at)

base buffs:

Str (62)
Con (62)
Dex (62)

Basically any 2x buff you can/should run with +155 and then you should run 20% haste and then AF and then you can also add in celerity charges.

All of your weapon "to-hit" and "damage" calculations will use your STR as the modifier stat along with whatever weapon table thanes are on..

Also, make sure your armor and weapons are 100% con and also should be 100% or 99% quality as well.

Speaking for resists assume people will have 26% + at least 10% cl resists to magic, although everything magic thanes do is energy and it's one that people will often gimp 3-6%.

Make sure any crafted stuff is enchanted and has alchemy procs.

Your lvl 50 template should include several "TOA" bonuses up to 10% to:

melee damage
style damage
melee speed
casting speed
magic damage
magic resist pierce

since it's unlikely that you can fit them all at cap (not familiar with thane templates check the viking boards) in which you go with will depend on your preferred play style.

edit: your damage table as a thane is lower than what pure melee characters (warriors, zerks) are on so even if you and warrior bob have 400 str the warrior would have a higher weapon skill and hit harder/penetrate defense better.

 

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sccrmania1
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All of what vyxar posted is correct. If you're using crafted weapons, find an enchanter ASAP and hand him your weapons. Will greatly increase your to-hit and resist rates.


Additionally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG_k83Yiy1A

 

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_skreWball_  1 star
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Crenshinabon posted:

Aww, surely being a Thane has nothing to do with my miss / resist rate? I like the general abilities and everything I get as a Thane.



Thanes are on the poo poo ws table and have crap for hps.

 

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Crenshinabon
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Whats a ws table?
Also I appreciate the youtube link but that is a bit more rudimentary than I need. I have played pvp mmos for years and I know the fundamentals of camera turning, binding, etc. =P
b0xy  2 stars
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WS = Weaponskill.

 

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Vyxar  2 stars
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It's just a fixed modifier inherent to each class. The idea is that a heavy tank should hit harder, hit more from a purely melee standpoint but since you have a Stormcalling line are compensated with those abilities so to accomplish that each point of strength gives a slightly different return to you than a different class.

 

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Vladasa  2 stars
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Let's start from the beginning and work our way down through all of your issues.

--> RR3 -> this is the realm rank most people begin their big boy RvR experience with, at the moment, you are very low realm rank and that will affect everything you do. I.E, until R5, you can't maximize your melee DPS modifier; and every RR you get an additional +1 to your skills.

--> In RvR, generally when you're in a zerg or in a group; the opposing group will have ~50% resistance to energy if they are alb (seeing as there are many, many, many clerics who play this game), you have to open up with your energy debuff for some additional damage.

--> Thanes are a true, true hybrid. They can't kill a caster via casting them down, they can't kill a melee class by meleeing them down, it has to be a combination of both to be effective. Anyone who tells you otherwise is dealing with people who don't know how to play this game (My ment eats thanes that just want to sit there and trade; i'll always QC and win).

--> Although the WS table is the lowest for any melee class in Midgard, it is relatively comparable to a skald or valk with the same amount of points specced into a melee line. The additional toys added to melee attacks (25-150 procs) make up for the damage loss in pure melee, especially if running (which you should be) 10% magic damage/pierce.

--> Just hang in there, Thanes are an acquired skill... you can't just pick one up and think it's going to be 1 button win the whole way through. It gets better at R5, and even more so around R7-8.

 

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