ONE thing this game had going for it was trading was fair.

You should not have gone outside the regular trading system.

Problem is theres no way of knowing what you traded for and what you got.


I once traded 100 diamond seals, then 10 min later the guy told me wait these are emmy seals instead. But they couldn't of been stacked in inventory. He was trying to lie and get me to give him money.

every game i know of, if you trade an item away to another player, thats it... they wont do anything ...

thats why games have secure trade windows with delays in accepting when items in the windows change... to insure players cant pull a fast one...

if someone verbaly agrees to pay you 500 dollars for a car in real life, but he wants you to transfer the title first...

then you transfer the title.. and they dont pay...

you SOL, the cops wont do anything, the courts wont do anything... because you legaly transfered ownership...

unless theres a written contract its your bad.

same applies in game, you accept a trade of something for nothing... and its over and done with.

 

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I see what you did there

 

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So it seems like a lot of people agree that Scamming in game is OK and shouldn't be a bannable/suspendable offense.

This guy has scammed more than 1 person, which i find to be the problem, people like this can only do HARM to the game and the name of the Company which is why i don't understand why any action is not taken.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050313002536/http://www.darkwolves.biz/nerner.html

In my opinion "problem child's" like this should be banned/suspended and all items should be returned.

I know a lot of people boast " It can't happen to me" but when it does and you encounter the exact same people in the exact same scenario, you will feel like punching a baby seal because something can be done, but the GM is too soulless to do anything, or too lazy.

Like i said, in world of warcraft things like this are resolved immediately with suspensions to players who try to scam others, happened to me a few times and resolved without issues. WHY? because logs were read and a visible agreement was made and then broken, so said items were returned and offending parties were punished to prevent further harm to customer base.

It's just very unprofessional on Mythics part to not help the person AFTER reading logs and seeing clearly that they got scammed.

p.S. Remember this guy hasn't scammed 1 person but many, and many more to come.

You should be grateful to the guy... he learned you a valuable lesson... never trust strangers! Will come in handy in RL too.

Wonder what you next post is going to be.. you giving your account details to somebody then cry about getting ripped off?

It is Blizzard who is providing an extraordinary service. Mythic is taking a more simple approach, probably because they don't have the re$ource$ to investigate these kind of "agreements". Transferring plat/items across realms is NOT part of the game, so you cannot *expect* help with this issue.

In any case, your contempt for the CSR is misdirected. He is simply doing his job.

 

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when i trade someone an item, with a promise of something not in the window... i expect to get ripped off the minute i hit accept... so no i dont get made and feel like punching a baby seal... because its the outcome i expect in the first place, because thats just how people are... now its always a pleasant surprise when they actualy hold up there end.

i have some advice for you... never try to play EvE Online... i personaly think its the greatest MMO on the market, but if your upset about this whimpy lil scam... you'd rage quit EvE in a few days.

 

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Yepp and you get the items back also. Ive been scamed some times with crafting stuff and every time i got my stuff back and the person scamming got a suspension/ban.
Blizz see this as a very serious offence. I wonder why mythic/EA/Bullfrog/whatever their name is now dont.

Anyone who says there is no proof or anything, NEWSFLASH there is logs of EVERYTHING you do in game that the CSR can look at.

EDIT: if it is a cross realm trade then you are SOL thou and should not expect any help.

My only complaint with the CSR's when I resubbed this spring is that my appeals would sit in the queue for literally WEEKS.

When I had problems moving things back to Ywain during my trial subscription, they answered very quickly and were very helpful. Once I was actually playing and ran into some bugged PvE encounters, I got no responses at all.

 

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I copied the pic and expanded it. It was very blurry but I did get to read it. It would have been nice for you to post a pic with higher rez (clearer text).


You are incorrect about WoW/Blizzard returning such items. As far as I have read on the WoW boards, and I have read a lot on the WoW boards, they will not.


There are situations where Blizzard will correct some problems with loot, but as far as I have read on the WoW boards and in game, if you give away gear or gold then the gear/gold is gone.


Blizzard will correct loot disputes if the group leader violates the stated loot rules (this is something that Mythic should have adopted long ago).

Blizzard will correct ‘exploits’ that are used to scam gear/gold from other players.

Blizzard will return gear/gold when the account has been hacked and gear/gold is taken by a hacker.


Blizzard does not police the illegal (against the rules) transfer of gear/gold and they never have (except to take action against both parties).


In the above stated example, where you simply gave away gear, it is my understanding that both Blizzard and Mythic have a standard and similar policy for trader’s remorse. If the trade is obvious, which it always is, then the trade is final. Mythic has absolutely no exceptions to this rule and Blizzard has very few (1 in 10,000) exceptions where Blizzard will reverse a valid trade. Yes your trade was valid.


No, they should not make “one time exceptions” for players (rule breakers) who beg and whine.


I am sorry that you were ripped off for all that gear/plat, but you are not supposed to be transferring plat/gear from realm to realm.


Your argument is similar to the heroin purchaser who goes to the police to file a complaint against his supplier for selling fake heroin instead of the real thing, and then you expect the police to get you your money back and jail the dealer. You are lucky you are not sanctioned for your admitted rule breaking.

 

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