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Wylfried Posts: 9
Registered: 2011-3-23 07:11:06
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DakRT posted:
As WW said, this is another Hib patch, nothing more. More of the same from Mythic, which obviously favors this cheese realm anyways. More CC on DPS, more heals, more evertyhing...Geesh
Was about time! Any who claims Hib groups are not the most difficult to play 8vs8-wise has never tried it. I have always played Hib, so cannot really say that on the base of my own experience, but all those realm mates of mine that migrated to Alb/Mid ended up in saying their RvR experience was way more easy on other realms at low RR thanks to longer range and massive rupts through pets than it was on Hib at high RR.
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Corfel  Posts: 510
Registered: 2008-4-3 12:02:45
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Albs - pet heavy
Mids - Charge tanks / Pet groups
Hibs - flop
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Soazak  Posts: 152
Registered: 2002-2-8 06:46:03
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DakRT posted:
As WW said, this is another Hib patch, nothing more. More of the same from Mythic, which obviously favors this cheese realm anyways. More CC on DPS, more heals, more evertyhing...Geesh
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Tested the new quest xp from 10-49.
It seems a full round of 3 quests at 49 gives you 5.1 bubbles just quest reward.
I got 2 bubbles from the mobs as well. 70 bps per scroll.
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hmm gardian how does this compare to what it used to be? that sounds like its more than it used to be. But I'm curious about all the other BG's and hoping they didn't nerf the lower level ones.
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Windwalkr posted:
It's OK though, it's clear this is a Hibernia crutch patch to deal with the under-population issue. If you can't get people to go there on their own for obvious reasons, then make them OPd and people will flock there. 
Ugh, you really think that Bards are OP? how come nobody wants to play one? If you gave a bolt AoEmez to one of the hib casters, and speed 5 to Champion's, and then handed out Endo 5 to Druids, and you could just /delete the bard class, and the Warden could take its place as the secondary healer. I'm sure that nobody would mind.
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Registered: 2002-7-26 11:47:42
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DoorknobMLF posted:
Ugh, you really think that Bards are OP? how come nobody wants to play one? If you gave a bolt AoEmez to one of the hib casters, and speed 5 to Champion's, and then handed out Endo 5 to Druids, and you could just /delete the bard class, and the Warden could take its place as the secondary healer. I'm sure that nobody would mind.
I clearly didn't say Bards were OPd, I said Hib groups with Wardens becoming yet another secondary healer.
Not that Bards are perfectly balanced though with their multitude of primary and secondary roles, but they lack offense which always makes classes like primary healers & utility less popular then those with a primary DPS label. (Just look at Wardens. A utility powerhouse and one of the toughest 1v1 classes in the game, but no one cares because they don't blow things up. Same for Friars, whose only saving grace is their heals combined with all of their utility that gets them groups.)
Bards complexity and numerous group responsibilities turns new players away from the class. That is a simple fact. If you've played a lowbie aspiring Bard in a FG lately, you'll know what I'm talking about. It's always your fault no matter why your group loses they love to blame it on a bad Bard, since they are basically responsible for everything important anyway. The learning curve is huge, and the patience of your FGs isn't. A clear indicator that one class is being over-tasked with too many responsibilities, and that will keep Bards unpopular. (Not the lack of a GH. If they have time to heal a MH is very much worthwhile casting, but due to the GH they're actually tasked with healing as a primary job for them after CC, speed, interrupts, etc.)
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DarkPCK  Title: Got to go house is on fire.
Posts: 457
Registered: 2003-12-14 12:38:01
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Windwalkr posted:
Heretics are already less group friendly then Wardens even now, but now they're in an utterly sad league of their own as far as healing goes. Valks are far better healers then Heretics due to the instant PBAE heal & HoT, and on top of Charge with strong melee DPS are a very solid class in many other ways. Heretics are getting woefully left behind I'm afraid, and not just as tertiary healers.  Their MR --once a class-defining ability-- was nerfed to near absolutely uselessness years ago, they still have several spells in their class-defining line that are either never or very rarely used, they just had their Slam and Shield defense nerfed in the last couple of patches, and with this change to Wardens will now also become by far the worst tertiary healer in the game.
Heretics are fine, and are used for pet clears and their RA selection. Valks are for pushing in and interrupting, with the added possibility of healing while deep to mitigate damage. There is no comparison between Heretic and Valks for roles...
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DakRT: And 4 Scouts makes a [stealth] zerg huh?
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DarkPCK Title: Got to go house is on fire.
Posts: 457
Registered: 2003-12-14 12:38:01
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Windwalkr posted:
And to DK, Spreadheal isn't *the* most important heal anymore, not in the open field. Plus I'm not saying Wardens will take a Druid slot, lol, they will be added for:
- 6s PBT
- Resists
- Celerity in melee groups (good thing, Hibs need this)
- TWF
- And now also excellent ST & Group Heals
With Slam nerfed they can just drop to 29 Shield for a rear 7s stun, and get all of the above at top levels (well the 41 GH that heals what ~1k?).
Bard, 2 Druids, Warden, and you have 4 damage slots left over.
Half of that team can ST heal for ~1k damage a pop, and let's not even mention that no other secondary healer in the game has a specced large shield and spec Parry, much less PBT on top of scale.
As opposed to Cleric, Friar, and six slots for damage? And the 41 heal is something like 857 pre-relic/pre-crit, and only the Warden will ever spec that highly in Regrowth in Hib. The shield size and spec and parry are also irrelevant in group fights, unless you really think there will suddenly be a 1v1 breaking out in the middle of that fight while you try to tie down the Warden (which is a dumb idea anyway). I'm guessing you never play in a fg and look for fights without adds/jams, etc.
Windwalkr posted:
Even a Friars melee defense is a joke in comparison to a Wardens, especially vs. multiple attackers, and Shammies are of course not even on the radar.
It's going to be hard to take down Hib teams...but of course uneven odds will do it, and I guess you can rightfully claim that Hibs face these more then anyone.
Again, multiple attackers on a healing class is dumb unless you're cleaning up the fight. And if you stop to melee, you get a delay before you cast, which defeats the purpose of being the group's main source of heals, like a Friar is (and a Warden's potential after this patch). Hib groups will just have more flexibility in the setup, not necessarily be much more difficult to beat, as the idea gives room for more casters, but still doesn't give those casters the superior range or interrupts of Alb/Mid groups, which just overwhelm with pets and only try to dps when everything is tied up.
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DakRT: And 4 Scouts makes a [stealth] zerg huh?
Zyzyg: What anytime snare are you talking about?...Your anytime style should be Polar Rift. Clearly you don't play a Shadowblade.
Steot: Its fact, I just dont have proof.
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