Bard, Druid, and Warden.


Dropping the extra druid for a healing warden is much better option. It free's up a group spot for more DPS.


Alb groups tend to run 1 cleric 1 friar for heals. <--- No different from Druid/Warden, but you got a Bard for back up healz.


Also you are forgetting if you are going caster strong you got 5 slots to play w/ now instead of 4. So you can run a chanter, eld, ment, and pop in 2 tanks. Gives ya some options for pet clears as well that extra group spot.

 

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1. The realms are not the same, and never have been. This is what makes DAoC unique.
2. I haven't seen an outcry from bards, claiming the class is to difficult and to take some of its utility away. Secondly, lesser skilled players, don't need to heal if they don't feel they can multi-task well enough, but once they get better at the class, adding additional healing to the group adds to the fun of class. Lastly, taking the greaters away from bards would make the bard harder to play because the heal they kept wouldn't be as good.





Most druids spec at least 39 nurture so they can spec dex themselves, which leaves them with the same greater heal that most bards get.

 

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you can not compare druid + warden vs cleric + friar. warden + druid have so much more stuff to play with. just some key stuff: a pet, a 6sec bt, cele, root.

as you said you may be able to run with druid + bard + warden and 5 slots free for tank or caster group. this is a very very huge increase to the hibernia setup and i do not think that this will balance out well. by the way this setup was played on the german servers years ago, even before bard love and it was very strong on a good group. now we have all this love from this patch + the bard love too, i think this is just going to be far to strong.

 

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wardens already have all that stuff the only thing different is they now have heals which they should have had in the beginning
I dont see how hibernia will have the most heals since bard druid druid is the same as bard druid warden when it comes to heals

 

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I think they should wait and see if this Hib group without 2 Druids will become viable. Personally I cannot see how it could possibly work. Yes its nice to have a pbt and celerity and bodygaurd, but it takes the place of buff shears, spreadhealing, and a baseline root. Ok you can add that a Warden could spec low into shield and get a rear stun, but having to actually use melee to peel an enemy tank is gonna take him out of the healing role quite a bit.

And whats the range on the celerity anyways? The herald says its 350 but I don't think its actually that low is it? that would be ridiculous, and it changes everything.

edit: Ok so I logged onto my lowbie warden and found that its actually 350 range. So sorry but you certainly do not have a healer/pbt class, not at all. The pbt is 1250 range which could be useful for a Warden thats trying to play a healing role. But again, a warden just cannot take the place of a Druid for healing, there's really no advantage except maybe in certain small man situations.

People seem to think that when you improve an underplayed class you improve the whole realm, but really you just give that class a chance to claim a spot in a group. Even then I'm not sure these healing changes will have much effect on a Warden.

 

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You're right, Wardens should have had it all along and Bards shouldn't. That's my whole point, thanks for agreeing with me!

Bards should never have been a secondary healer when they're already primary speed, CC, and group endo provider. And don't give me this "the realms are different" excuse junk, because that sure wasn't the tone Bards were ringing when they got Root, Mess dampen, and the extra instant DD. They got everything from everyone else, and never had to give up the things that made them great.

I think people above are right, this will probably just end up with Hibs dropping a Druid in favor of another Eldy or even a Menty who can also do back-up heals and back-up DPS.


It's OK though, it's clear this is a Hibernia crutch patch to deal with the under-population issue. If you can't get people to go there on their own for obvious reasons, then make them OPd and people will flock there.

Nothing really wrong with that I suppose.

 

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you don't need good players to compete in 8vs8 as hib, you need superior players. since this was something i personally always kinda liked as a hib (it means bigger e-peens for hib players! ), it's not exactly what you would call "balance".

to leave hib with less pets/instas and give them more heal seems to be a legit approach in my opinion. just giving all realms the same stuff is boring. differences and more or less constant change is what keeps this game great and interesting.

 

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There was no underpopulation in the last 7 days....Hib has dominated the realm, both Alb and Mid-even took a relic. So you can't say they are the hurting realm or any of that, people play where people care to play. And lately its been Hibernia. Hib was certainly potent this weekend/early week. As WW said, this is another Hib patch, nothing more. More of the same from Mythic, which obviously favors this cheese realm anyways. More CC on DPS, more heals, more evertyhing...Geesh

 

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