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Insolent_Ant
Posts: 36
Registered: 2002-7-8 17:24:45
W0rdna posted:

Turn them into debuffs? Yes, please. They shouldn't have been introduced into the game (not long before NF went live) at all but I could live with this compromise.



They were Mythic's way to make the real buffing class playable vs. every group having a bot tucked away somewhere. Perhaps they shouldn't have been in the game but only in the sense that buffbots shouldn't have been in the game.

 

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Vanesyra  1 star
Posts: 108
Registered: 2009-12-8 17:31:44
1) buff shears should not give rps
2) buff shears should disable a buff for like 1 min instead of removing it
3) if you buff a disabled buff the buff should get active again.

the main problem is that buff shears give a very high amount of rps. the developer must have been total stoned when doing this... this is one of the worst things ever done to the game. also the ml 10 shear cloak which is more or less use able within stealth is a bad joke. people abuse this cloak because they don't like you. they shear you but do not try to fight you. and you got to go wiping to get new caped buffs. stop stoned developers from working at daoc! ;D
DoorknobMLF  3 stars
Posts: 627
Registered: 2008-3-2 09:16:57
sure for 2) and 3), but why number 1)? if you buff shear someone you've taken away their chances of winning, so why not give RPs for it? I think maybe they could reduce the RPs though. Like one time an Inf popped me and then ran away when he knew he couldn't kill me, I rooted and sheared everything from him, then a BM comes up and 2 shots him, I get 2300 RPs on my Druid and he got 350. Yeah not exactly fair, but buff shears should still give some RPs.

 

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Vanesyra  1 star
Posts: 108
Registered: 2009-12-8 17:31:44
nearly any action you do on any class in the game can reduce the chance of winning. but you only got extra rps for it if you rezz, heal or shear and that's just silly. and especially for shears the amount of rps is just silly. for example if you bodyguard someone, if you debuff someone, guard, intercept, or even if you just interrupt someone... if shears give rps this should give rps too. but as long this does not grant rps shears should not do as well. and i am saying this even if i have high rr supporters in any realm. a good supporter does not need that extra rps, you join a group and you get your fair amount of rps.
OldOldNick
Posts: 4
Registered: 2010-1-31 04:33:06
Just one problem

the multi buff potions are either a) bugged or b) working as intended
in that if you try to buff the 5 buff potion, but already have even one buff up the whole potion fails

so if you get sheared str , but still have str/con the buff wont fill in the gaps, it will just fail to work

you need to be completely free from buffs of the potion type for it to work

sad but true afaik

Nick
Ethnad  1 star
Posts: 67
Registered: 2005-7-10 01:41:59
OldOldNick posted:

Just one problem

the multi buff potions are either a) bugged or b) working as intended
in that if you try to buff the 5 buff potion, but already have even one buff up the whole potion fails

so if you get sheared str , but still have str/con the buff wont fill in the gaps, it will just fail to work

you need to be completely free from buffs of the potion type for it to work

sad but true afaik

Nick



i have experienced this, therefore if you need buffs after shear your still going to be carrying a half dozen pots instead of one, new pot would only be valuable after a rez.

edit: i would bet plat that they come out and tell us that the new pots are working as intended.

 

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DoorknobMLF  3 stars
Posts: 627
Registered: 2008-3-2 09:16:57
Yeah I don't think the potions are working as intended but perhaps they are better like this. But now you gotta carry 6 of each pot anyways.

 

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Devaster-S-  1 star
Posts: 248
Registered: 2003-1-27 16:54:15
DoorknobMLF posted:

sure for 2) and 3), but why number 1)? if you buff shear someone you've taken away their chances of winning, so why not give RPs for it? I think maybe they could reduce the RPs though. Like one time an Inf popped me and then ran away when he knew he couldn't kill me, I rooted and sheared everything from him, then a BM comes up and 2 shots him, I get 2300 RPs on my Druid and he got 350. Yeah not exactly fair, but buff shears should still give some RPs.



Shears are bugged and result in the person doing the shearing getting a majority of the RP's. I'm sorry but shears don't put you in any real danger and you can freely make a butt load of RP's shearing. I don't think shears should give RP's. And I don't think heals should either. Otherwise any sort of CC should grant RP's. Like mez, stun, root, etc.

I've been saying a long time that shears should just debuff someone for an extended length of time (I like the disable a buff idea for a period of time). Buffbots don't keep Mythic/EA/Bioware standing. It is the community, and the vast majority of the community do not want to pay for buffbots or have to run buffbots to compete. The closer and closer we get to removing buffbots from the game, the better off the game will be.

 

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orrime  1 star
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Posts: 85
Registered: 2010-4-15 03:34:07
W0rdna posted:

Turn them into debuffs? Yes, please. They shouldn't have been introduced into the game (not long before NF went live) at all but I could live with this compromise.



This is possibly the worst idea to fix the problem. I don't really like the way shears work atm (gives too much privileges to alb/caster groups imo), but turning them into a debuff would make them uncounterable, which is even worse imo.
Devaster-S-  1 star
Posts: 248
Registered: 2003-1-27 16:54:15
orrime posted:

W0rdna posted:

Turn them into debuffs? Yes, please. They shouldn't have been introduced into the game (not long before NF went live) at all but I could live with this compromise.



This is possibly the worst idea to fix the problem. I don't really like the way shears work atm (gives too much privileges to alb/caster groups imo), but turning them into a debuff would make them uncounterable, which is even worse imo.



True. But you could also making casting rebuffs on a target negate the debuff. Or add a new spell to negate the shear debuff.

 

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