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Lakobaath  1 star
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Dude, I never said it wasn't my fault nor said it was my fault. It was my fault for TRUSTING someone that had a good reputation at the time. So it isn't even close to your comparison. Just stop please.

 

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ArkadyTepes  3 stars
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Lakobaath posted:

Dude, I never said it wasn't my fault nor said it was my fault. It was my fault for TRUSTING someone that had a good reputation at the time. So it isn't even close to your comparison. Just stop please.



by wanting ea to unban your account, your trying to say you didnt do wrong, that it wasnt your fault...

accepting when you did wrong means accepting the consequences of your actions, by not accepting those consequences(and wanting mythic to unbanyou) your infact saying you did no wrong.

 

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Lakobaath  1 star
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It wasn't my fault. I wasn't the one that stole the codes. I was using codes that I thought was safe. Are you just not grasping that?

 

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ArkadyTepes  3 stars
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Lakobaath posted:

It wasn't my fault. I wasn't the one that stole the codes. I was using codes that I thought was safe. Are you just not grasping that?



no i'm grasping what "Thought" but what i'm trying to tell you, is its your thinking that needs to be fixed...

same as my example of the guy selling stolen goods, possesion of stolen property is a crime.

what because property in question is digital makes it okay? ... again faulty logic on your part.

wether or not you are aware of the goods being stolen or not doesnt matter in the court of law with real world merchandise, so why would you think its okay in virtual space?

you broke the rules, knowingly purchasing through a 3rd party instead of official channels... it doesnt matter what you thought of the persons reputation, it wasnt a legit way to aquire the merchandise there for it was wrong, and your twisted thought process is just trying to justify it to yourself so you can make believe your the victim, your not, your part of the problem your part of the guilty party.

 

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Lakobaath  1 star
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dude, please, shut up. Do you even play the game any more? I don't even see you post anywhere except on the General Board. Your opinion is awful on the matter and you should really stop please.

 

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Mooshaka  1 star
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Registered: 2008-9-27 09:04:20
Lakobaath posted:

dude, please, shut up. Do you even play the game any more? I don't even see you post anywhere except on the General Board. Your opinion is awful on the matter and you should really stop please.

he is just trolling you... kid got raped outta the game years ago, so he just takes his anger out on people who post on the general boards.

 

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Vyxar  2 stars
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ArkadyTepes posted:

Lakobaath posted:

It wasn't my fault. I wasn't the one that stole the codes. I was using codes that I thought was safe. Are you just not grasping that?



no i'm grasping what "Thought" but what i'm trying to tell you, is its your thinking that needs to be fixed...

same as my example of the guy selling stolen goods, possesion of stolen property is a crime.

what because property in question is digital makes it okay? ... again faulty logic on your part.

wether or not you are aware of the goods being stolen or not doesnt matter in the court of law with real world merchandise, so why would you think its okay in virtual space?

you broke the rules, knowingly purchasing through a 3rd party instead of official channels... it doesnt matter what you thought of the persons reputation, it wasnt a legit way to aquire the merchandise there for it was wrong, and your twisted thought process is just trying to justify it to yourself so you can make believe your the victim, your not, your part of the problem your part of the guilty party.



I'm sorry Ark but you sound like an idiot. It's absolutely legit to buy and sell something you own. You find me an attorney that is ever going to go after the end consumer as the bad guy just for buying something.

And in terms of "bad goods" it's the counterfeiters that produce bad goods or wholesalers/pawn shops or various other middle men that knowingly buy/sell in volume that the law is after. And a company like EA/Mythic should be interested in going after them too because as much as it might hurt them it harms their customers which means that it's going to end up harming them 2x. If some idiot at Mythic thinks that it's a good idea to ban people's accounts I'm sure the other game studios out there will love them all the more for it. They should contact the customer explain that the, in this case time, that they paid for was fraudulent and that whatever remaining would be left will not be honored and that they will have to pay their account and use it as an opportunity to encourage people to buy the way they want them to. It's pretty damn reasonable(or should be) to assume that if he paid or traded something of similar value to wherever that the code was legit or said another way it's pretty ridiculous to believe that a company as big and deeply invested in digital commerce would be so goddamn stupid to allow for such an easy way to re-use or duplicate or otherwise hack their codes such that someone could sell them. But then again this is the same company that can't seem to figure out how to keep their billing service open 24/7 or avoid charging people dozens or hundreds of times....

 

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ugo_phelix  1 star
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Registered: 2005-3-20 12:57:42
Vyxar posted:

ArkadyTepes posted:

Lakobaath posted:

It wasn't my fault. I wasn't the one that stole the codes. I was using codes that I thought was safe. Are you just not grasping that?



no i'm grasping what "Thought" but what i'm trying to tell you, is its your thinking that needs to be fixed...

same as my example of the guy selling stolen goods, possesion of stolen property is a crime.

what because property in question is digital makes it okay? ... again faulty logic on your part.

wether or not you are aware of the goods being stolen or not doesnt matter in the court of law with real world merchandise, so why would you think its okay in virtual space?

you broke the rules, knowingly purchasing through a 3rd party instead of official channels... it doesnt matter what you thought of the persons reputation, it wasnt a legit way to aquire the merchandise there for it was wrong, and your twisted thought process is just trying to justify it to yourself so you can make believe your the victim, your not, your part of the problem your part of the guilty party.



I'm sorry Ark but you sound like an idiot. It's absolutely legit to buy and sell something you own. You find me an attorney that is ever going to go after the end consumer as the bad guy just for buying something.

And in terms of "bad goods" it's the counterfeiters that produce bad goods or wholesalers/pawn shops or various other middle men that knowingly buy/sell in volume that the law is after. And a company like EA/Mythic should be interested in going after them too because as much as it might hurt them it harms their customers which means that it's going to end up harming them 2x. If some idiot at Mythic thinks that it's a good idea to ban people's accounts I'm sure the other game studios out there will love them all the more for it. They should contact the customer explain that the, in this case time, that they paid for was fraudulent and that whatever remaining would be left will not be honored and that they will have to pay their account and use it as an opportunity to encourage people to buy the way they want them to. It's pretty damn reasonable(or should be) to assume that if he paid or traded something of similar value to wherever that the code was legit or said another way it's pretty ridiculous to believe that a company as big and deeply invested in digital commerce would be so goddamn stupid to allow for such an easy way to re-use or duplicate or otherwise hack their codes such that someone could sell them. But then again this is the same company that can't seem to figure out how to keep their billing service open 24/7 or avoid charging people dozens or hundreds of times....



While I agree with you, almost all of this can be circumvented when you can trust that a company won't hit your CC with 3 grand worth of charges in 10 minutes.

If they didn't have problems with their billing in the first place, not as many people would be trying to buy timecards.

 

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Semi4  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-8-8 13:58:29
Lakobaath posted:

Since Kai is posting in this thread...I would like to have my Scout account back,

Mythic has never entered into email discussions or phone conversations concerning a BAN (except on VN and even then only back when Sanya was here.) If you are banned you have only one chance to get the ban lifted and you only have one place to get that one chance. You need to send your dispute to dispute@darkageofcamelot.com


Mostly they (Mythic) will only give you one chance to get the ban reviewed. Once they review the ban, after that you are stuck with the decision so make your first dispute very, very compelling and complete. If you have already made your case, then you are stuck because your ban has been reviewed and the decision to ban you has been confirmed. The dispute department does not re-re-review bans. If there has been a review, further whines are futile.


Lakobaath posted:

around 10 codes...and all but maybe 1 or 2 was from elsewhere...i didnt break any rules


I bought one code from daocdeals. Daocdeals got it from Lucky-Charmz. Lucky said he got it from EA. That is why I figured it was safe.



Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for being caught breaking the law. Using even one counterfeit time code on your account is enough of a violation to get you banned. Believe it or not, understand it or not, think it fair or not. . . .it does not matter if you disagree. Using even one counterfeit time code will get you banned. (edit: the faulty time codes players purchased from the EA store are not counterfeit codes, they are faulty codes purchased from a valid store and as such will not cause the players to be banned.)


Also, you were dealing with a PLing, plat selling web site (daocdeals) to purchase your game time codes from . . . and you thought everything was fine?


You are not going to like this but I agree with ArkadyTepes. You took a chance and it bit you in the rear. Sorry but next time don’t deal with questionable sites that offer services that violate game rules. If one thing they offer violates the rules and you use the sites services. . . . you may just find you are banned.


Yes, yes, yes . . . you did not know that the code was counterfeit. How does Mythic really know that to be true? Almost every single person who is banned makes up some sob story, and tries to feed the sob story to Mythic, hoping that Mythic will unban the account.


One other thing, I am not advocating that you lie, however, in a request to get a ban lifted I would never admit frequenting and purchasing things from a site that offers game violating services. There are many other ways to state your case without needing to admit that you utilize the services of daocdeals. I very much doubt that mentioning the name of daocdeals helped your case at all.

 

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Lakobaath  1 star
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You aren't unbiased with this at all, since you have already made it clear you don't like me in other posts...so I really dont care

 

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