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All the arguing is more-or-less pointless... EA/Bioware/Mythic use the same system that generally all law enforcement use. Ignorance does not translate into innocence sadly...

Although, you assumed the (Lucky-Charmz) time keys were valid and on the "up & up", they were in fact, not... And, even if you were not intentionally circumventing EA/Bioware/Mythic's subscription services( Lucky-Charmz ) was... Essentially, you took a chance, and lost. But, you were in violation of their specific codes and received punishment. It happens...

ArkadyTepes - Seems to be simply stating that fact. Its like a Cop stops you for speeding and you tell them you didn't see the posted speed limit sign. Sadly, that can't be used as an excuse either, as "ignorance" cannot be used to imply "innocence" in our existing system under the majority of issues. If that were the case then everyone that purchased stolen items would get off free and clear...

Hope that helps end the reply situation in this thread...

Ark and anyone else interested...

I see a lot of nonsense on here about law and how this is legal and that isn't legal. In case you have never taken law classes or business law classes, a crime is committed when there is maliciousness and intent.

Possessing a counterfeit bill does not make you a criminal. You are a criminal when you attempt to use a bill that you know is fake or when you create a fake bill, not when you use it without knowing. You would think if you people are going to make statements about law, you would at least use some common sense and look some things up. If possessing a fake bill was a crime, then every bank in the country would be closed and every bank employee would be under arrest.

The person who bought the codes did not commit a crime. It does not matter where he got the codes from, unless he knew or should have known that the codes were illegally obtained. Ark, I know you already assume that the guy had to know because they were so cheap. But, how do you even know if they were cheap? He never mentioned how much he paid for them. Again, you are assuming way too much.

If you can get banned for using codes that work but were bought illegally without the person knowing it, then what happens if you buy codes from Mythic that were previously used? Is the second person to try and use them guilty of something? According to the outhouse lawyers on here, yes they are.

The Rico act is guilt by association and has had challenges to it constitutionality. If you are guilty by association, then you are never go on trial and your rights are violated. You are supposed to have due process and innocent until proven guilty. If you are guilty by association, then you are guilty beforehand and have to prove that you are innocent.

Also, if the Rico act was enforced, almost every politician would be in jail due to where they got their campaign money from and if they got any money from banks, they would be guilty of fraud from the derivatives fraud they committed.

Again, the guy is not guilty under the Rico act, lol.

 

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well maybe you shouldnt speak to things you realy have no idea about...

because various law websites, and the secret service themselves, say possession alone is a crime (btw incase you didnt know, cause you probly didnt, you dont realy know anything, but the secret service are the ones who police matters involving the US treasury and all US currency)

i have seen people arrested with counterfeit bills...

my brothers friend was pulled over, cop smelled marijuana (cause they were smoking before getting pulled over) so cop searched the car, found no drugs, no illegal items in the car, but he tested the bills the people had on them... 1 guy had 2 counterfeit 20's ...

he got a 5 year jail sentence.

YES possession is a criminal act!

banks arent arrested because well, they are banks they are there to handle money, they have forms and proceedures to follow when they find counterfeit bills, they sign there initials and date in the white border of the bill, fill out a form, photocopying the forum, and send the bills and the form to the secret service

 

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Ark. The law doesn't change just because you say so.

You are not a criminal for possessing counterfeit money. You are if you know it's counterfeit and intent to use it to buy something or if you are printing money. If you have $500 on you and all of it is counterfeit, you have some explaining to do. If you say you got it from a friend, then they will go and see that friend and he has some explaining to do also.

I have noticed that you make a lot of assumptions in your posts. Don't jump to conclusions that everyone is cheating or everyone should have known that something was going on. You do realize there are people today that still think the world is flat and that martians live in area 51?

 

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the point your missing, is the laws state clearly possession is a crime in and of itself, not if you know, not if you try and use it, but just holding it... and personal experience of a person i knew getting arrested for just 2 counterfeit 20's ... shows exactly how wrong you are...

assumptions? where am i making assumptions... i have made no assumptions, no misleading statements, just statements of fact...

the person who got banned for using 3rd party codes admitted outright of buying the code from a 3rd party website, not from mythic, and that website by there own admission was daocdeals.com wich is a plat selling website.. wich *EVERYONE* who has played the game knows that buying gold/plat is bad... so how you think anyone at all could think it was perfectly legit and innocent to do business with someone offer obviously bad services is just beyond me completely.. i guess what you say people still think the world is flat, your talking about yourself and your own limited knowledge and ability to accept reality as it is,

if as you say, you need malicious intent for it to be a crime, okay so tell me about child neglect cases, where the parents loose there jobs or for what ever reason cant afford basic needs of the child, they dont intend to do it, its not malicious... its just life putting the parents over a barrel... yet they will be charged with neglect and have there children taken away...

if your drivers license expires, you dont notice, get pulled over, its a crime, even though you didnt have any malicious intent to drive without a license, ignorance is also not a defense saying that you simple forgot when it expires... it doent matter its a crime...

you dont need intent, or to actively try and do something for it to be a crime.

ignorance or lack of intent is NEVER a good defense in court.. especialy the lack of intent part

because by stating you didnt intend for the results to happen, you are infact admitting you did the crime, you just didnt intend it to turn out the way it did... once you admit in court you did the crime, your guilty case closed.

 

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http://whitecollarcrimenews.com/2010/02/26/misrepresentations-without-intent-to-cause-loss-is-enough-for-securities-fraud/

high profile fraud case, that specificaly throws out that intent is required, as the persons charged tried to fight it say they had no intent of doing harm, and that things just went south...

so you can be charged without intent! there are cases on the books where it happens.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2010/pdf/WithoutIntent_lo-res.pdf

theres a PDF explaining that federal law has drifted away from needing intent to establish that there has been a crime.


honestly instead of your misguided beliefs in how things should be, why dont ya realize how the world actualy works.

 

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lol

I'm done explaining anything else to you because you insult people, know nothing about legalities, and are pretty much just trolling because almost everything you say here is false.

First of all, I am a CPA, and I do mostly personal and corporate taxes, but I have experience in auditing, as most accountants do. You are out of your league if you are trying to tell me about business law.

Let us look at the first link you posted where you claim there is no intent to defraud. This is a quote from that link:

"Forensic accounting also showed that Hickey and Tang appropriated money from the funds for personal use. This was problem number two."

The important part is "they appropriated money from the funds for personal use." That right there is all the intent you need. This is a hallmark of fraud in these types of cases. Why did they use that money? It's called a Ponzi scheme. I do not need to go any further in that link because that's all anyone needs to know about this case. They may have intended to put the money back, but then again, every criminal who gets caught stealing something would say the same thing. Bottom line, they stole money from that fund and that is fraud, even if they only wanted to borrow it. Your whole argument is false, this is intent and is called theft.

I will no longer refer to anything you type, as it is just a rehash of mindless babble and obvious trolling to create hysteria. If anyone else has a legitimate argument about this situation, I would love to hear from you.

IMO, the guy who had this issue should not have gotten banned regardless if he bought 12, 24 or more of these codes. I would buy game time if it were cheaper and I knew I would be playing the game and that it would remain open. I know the TOS isn't the law, so to speak, and that the TOS has a stipulation that anything we deem offensive is grounds for banning, etc, I think they need to use this stipulation carefully and not so broadly to remove players willing to pay to play the game that might themselves have been duped into paying for stolen codes.

I have nothing against Mythic or the way they handle things, they are usually pretty good with things, unless the guy who had these issues did other things we don't know about and he isn't telling us, but from what I've heard so far, I don't think he deserves a ban for this.

 

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Interesting :


http://vnboards.ign.com/general_classified/b23023/115770340/r116258774/

 

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In order to be charged for possession of counterfeit currency there has to be proof that the person had knowledge that the money was fake. Thats some bad luck for the dude who got caught with 2 counterfeit 20s and got jail time. Im gonna have to assume that jonnytwotwenties must have had a pretty solid criminal record already and or the worst lawyer ever. Ive been arrested plenty and no cop ever checked my $$ to see if it was fake.

 

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