Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
EA/Mythic The DAOC codes you are selling on your website have already been used.
Divination posted: If the person who created the account and all the characters on the account does not own the account and only the right to access the account, what would stop anyone from transferring those rights to someone else?
On the guy who bought time codes from that site:
Mythic in no way tries to stop people selling the rights to access an account, infact they used to have systems in place to aid in the process of changing account information, or splitting characters from 1 account to another to transfer access rights...
but it states in the EULA that all characters, stats, and items are sole property of EA Bioware - Mythic, you own nothing on the account or the account itself, you only pay to gain access to that account, access wich EA retains the right to revoke at anytime.
Divination posted: Mythic shut his account down and banned him. My question is why? I am not trying to support him here as I do not know him and cannot vouch for his honesty, but are they banning him because the codes were already taken? Are they banning him because he tried to use several, and all were taken?
Another thing. Is it too risky to buy DAOC time cards or time cards from any EA game because if you buy codes that were hacked by someone else who committed a crime, then I am guilty in EA's mind by association and therefore cannot trust buying anything from EA or their site? Again, why was he banned? The answer affects everyone.
here you just have a problem following the topic thread the OP had problems with time codes being used already that he purcahsed legitimately from mythic... the op was NOT banned.
however Lakobaath bought bogus codes from a 3rd party and used those to get time on his account, the codes were invalid and mythic banned him for using 3rd party pirate codes....
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
EA/Mythic The DAOC codes you are selling on your website have already been used.
Divination posted: I buy stuff from the internet often. You mean to tell me, if Mythic gets hacked again (like they did when my account got charged 22 times), that it's my fault? Mythic is trying to blame this guy for being gullible enough to think he was getting a discount for paying a sub in advance. Again, I'm not trying to defend him and most likely he knew something was fishy, but this seems a little strange to me that a company like Mythic is going to assume that his intentions were no good simply because he bought a lot of time cards. If I knew I wanted to play a game for a year or two, and a site offered me a chance to do that at 50% off, I would do it. I would not think I was buying phoney items because the internet is supposed to be safer than ever right? You have fraud protection and everyone wants you to put your information through their green, secured, super encrypted system. You don't think you are dealing with fraud when you do this.
So far, luckily for me, the only online fraud I have encountered was when Mythic's system got hacked and I got charged 22 times for my account. Was Mythic trying to charge me fraudulently 22 times for one month? I would have been wrong to make that assumption, but nonetheless, the hacking was fraud.
Pretty sure Mythic didn't get hacked when you got charged 22 times. In fact, here's what they said:
"Please be assured that your personal information has not been compromised nor were Mythic's security systems breached. These charges were the result of a billing error and while unfortunate, unrelated to the rest of your account. We are working diligently to rectify the situation and we remain committed to continued improvement of our account and game services. Your trust, security, and satisfaction is the keystone that makes this possible."
If they had been hacked they would have been legally bound to tell you that your information may have been compromised.
Also, the internet is never safe, no matter the security in place. Because no matter what security they put in place, you, the user, always have unpredictable instances such as keyloggers etc. If a site that was not the branch of some EA website and not a reputable dealer, you should never trust a 50% off on time codes, or anything else. You could be dealing with fraud at any time. It's never safe to be complacent on the internet.
In this instance however it isn't really that type of fraud. He bought codes from someone or somplace that had a cardboard sign saying "Total Legit time codes at 50%" Even EA doesn't sell them that cheap on sale. And I have bought them on sale for nearly that price. I bought 12 months of time on their spring sale last year on Origin, which in comparison to $14.95 was about 5 months of free time. And it was only 5 because there was error when I was adding stuff to the cart and they gave me an additional discount for the hassle.
I personally had a great experience using the Origin website, and when I had a problem the customer support helped me and also gave me a discount.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
EA/Mythic The DAOC codes you are selling on your website have already been used.
Yackety_Yack posted:
Vyxar posted: So if someone brought in a 20$ bill to pay for something would you accuse them of "breaking the law" or being "ignorant" of it?
Are you honestly suggesting that someone went to a site and effectively said 'hey sell me counterfeit codes'???
Buying and selling of codes is not illegal. Just like buying and selling of anything else isn't.
The part you're missing Vyxar, is Lucky was selling codes at 2 or 3 codes for the price of one. So if some guy standing in an alley was selling $20.00 bills for $7.00 - $10.00 each how many would you buy?
While I didn't know the specifics I'm not surprised at all. And I'm not sticking up for someone who was engaged in risky behavior. Past performance in no way guarantees future results and all that... I'm saying it's idiotic for mythic to ban him. And that this idea that having bought a game code is a bannable offense or against the law is inane or that someone prosecute someone for trying to use a counterfeit 20$ when it's obvious they weren't the ones who created it is just flat out dumb and ignorant.
The direction I'm going is more that if the guy was trading game codes for plat that's his business. If he was trading WoW codes (do they even have them) or gold from Star Wars or something else it's perfectly fine and I fully expect that good and legit business people figure out a way to make it reasonable for everyone.
You don't rip apart a working economy because of 1 or 2 bad actors. It'd be like saying we should shut down all investments because of Bernie Madoff. And that those investors should have known better etc.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:02amSubject:
EA/Mythic The DAOC codes you are selling on your website have already been used.
TropicanaJones posted:
Divination posted: I buy stuff from the internet often. You mean to tell me, if Mythic gets hacked again (like they did when my account got charged 22 times), that it's my fault? Mythic is trying to blame this guy for being gullible enough to think he was getting a discount for paying a sub in advance. Again, I'm not trying to defend him and most likely he knew something was fishy, but this seems a little strange to me that a company like Mythic is going to assume that his intentions were no good simply because he bought a lot of time cards. If I knew I wanted to play a game for a year or two, and a site offered me a chance to do that at 50% off, I would do it. I would not think I was buying phoney items because the internet is supposed to be safer than ever right? You have fraud protection and everyone wants you to put your information through their green, secured, super encrypted system. You don't think you are dealing with fraud when you do this.
So far, luckily for me, the only online fraud I have encountered was when Mythic's system got hacked and I got charged 22 times for my account. Was Mythic trying to charge me fraudulently 22 times for one month? I would have been wrong to make that assumption, but nonetheless, the hacking was fraud.
Pretty sure Mythic didn't get hacked when you got charged 22 times. In fact, here's what they said:
"Please be assured that your personal information has not been compromised nor were Mythic's security systems breached. These charges were the result of a billing error and while unfortunate, unrelated to the rest of your account. We are working diligently to rectify the situation and we remain committed to continued improvement of our account and game services. Your trust, security, and satisfaction is the keystone that makes this possible."
If they had been hacked they would have been legally bound to tell you that your information may have been compromised.
Also, the internet is never safe, no matter the security in place. Because no matter what security they put in place, you, the user, always have unpredictable instances such as keyloggers etc. If a site that was not the branch of some EA website and not a reputable dealer, you should never trust a 50% off on time codes, or anything else. You could be dealing with fraud at any time. It's never safe to be complacent on the internet.
In this instance however it isn't really that type of fraud. He bought codes from someone or somplace that had a cardboard sign saying "Total Legit time codes at 50%" Even EA doesn't sell them that cheap on sale. And I have bought them on sale for nearly that price. I bought 12 months of time on their spring sale last year on Origin, which in comparison to $14.95 was about 5 months of free time. And it was only 5 because there was error when I was adding stuff to the cart and they gave me an additional discount for the hassle.
I personally had a great experience using the Origin website, and when I had a problem the customer support helped me and also gave me a discount.
lol since when did mythic feel compelled to act within the law?
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:02amSubject:
EA/Mythic The DAOC codes you are selling on your website have already been used.
Vyxar posted: While I didn't know the specifics I'm not surprised at all. And I'm not sticking up for someone who was engaged in risky behavior. Past performance in no way guarantees future results and all that... I'm saying it's idiotic for mythic to ban him. And that this idea that having bought a game code is a bannable offense or against the law is inane or that someone prosecute someone for trying to use a counterfeit 20$ when it's obvious they weren't the ones who created it is just flat out dumb and ignorant.
actualy, possession of counterfiet money IS a crime and you will get arrested...
secretservice posted: Printed reproductions, including photographs of paper currency, checks, bonds, postage stamps, revenue stamps, and securities of the United States and foreign governments (except under the conditions previously listed) are violations of Title 18, Section 474 of the United States Code. Violations are punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
see that right there... thats how serious they take possession of counterfeit money.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:02amSubject:
EA/Mythic The DAOC codes you are selling on your website have already been used.
what people always forget or just dont care about these days...
associating with criminals, is a crime... (Rico act)
everyone always wants to play the victim, and claim it isnt there fault, they didnt know, they didnt do it themselves...
it doesnt matter if you do it yourself, being a party to a crime is a crime, benefiting from someone elses criminal behavior is a crime...
play it straight, dont associate with criminals and your all good...
the guy selling stolen goods in the back ally wouldnt be there selling the goods if there werent people willing to buy those goods...
so the cops punish both ends, the selling and buyer/possesion, because that way people will be less likely to purchase stolen goods, there for less people trying to sell stolen goods, wich usualy means less people stealing goods...
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:02amSubject:
EA/Mythic The DAOC codes you are selling on your website have already been used.
ArkadyTepes posted:
Vyxar posted: While I didn't know the specifics I'm not surprised at all. And I'm not sticking up for someone who was engaged in risky behavior. Past performance in no way guarantees future results and all that... I'm saying it's idiotic for mythic to ban him. And that this idea that having bought a game code is a bannable offense or against the law is inane or that someone prosecute someone for trying to use a counterfeit 20$ when it's obvious they weren't the ones who created it is just flat out dumb and ignorant.
actualy, possession of counterfiet money IS a crime and you will get arrested...
secretservice posted: Printed reproductions, including photographs of paper currency, checks, bonds, postage stamps, revenue stamps, and securities of the United States and foreign governments (except under the conditions previously listed) are violations of Title 18, Section 474 of the United States Code. Violations are punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
see that right there... thats how serious they take possession of counterfeit money.
secretservice.gov posted: Possession of counterfeit United States obligations with fraudulent intent is a violation of Title 18, Section 472 of the United States Code and is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
Why don't you go ahead and read the damn page you linked to. You might just might just maybe will learn something.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:02amSubject:
EA/Mythic The DAOC codes you are selling on your website have already been used.
Vyxar posted: While I didn't know the specifics I'm not surprised at all. And I'm not sticking up for someone who was engaged in risky behavior. Past performance in no way guarantees future results and all that... I'm saying it's idiotic for mythic to ban him. And that this idea that having bought a game code is a bannable offense or against the law is inane or that someone prosecute someone for trying to use a counterfeit 20$ when it's obvious they weren't the ones who created it is just flat out dumb and ignorant.
The direction I'm going is more that if the guy was trading game codes for plat that's his business. If he was trading WoW codes (do they even have them) or gold from Star Wars or something else it's perfectly fine and I fully expect that good and legit business people figure out a way to make it reasonable for everyone.
You don't rip apart a working economy because of 1 or 2 bad actors. It'd be like saying we should shut down all investments because of Bernie Madoff. And that those investors should have known better etc.
If Ea/Mythic didn't ban the accounts caught using/purchasing Illegal 3rd party codes bought off of a "shadey" internet website that sells plat etc that are already in violation of Ea's Eula/Roc, then Ea/Mythic would be out of bussiness. Because everyone would be using them, and when they got caught, they'd say "well i didn't know the codes i bought from some website were illegal, i would have bought them from the EA site, but these were only $5.00 or less each" Then they would expect Ea/Mythic to honor these illegal obtained and generated time codes as well.
And that this idea that having bought a game code is a bannable offense or against the law is inane or that someone prosecute someone for trying to use a counterfeit 20$ when it's obvious they weren't the ones who created it is just flat out dumb and ignorant.
He didn't just spend it, he bought it for far less then the face value, and that is a crime that gets prosecuted.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:02amSubject:
EA/Mythic The DAOC codes you are selling on your website have already been used.
Vyxar posted:
secretservice.gov posted: Possession of counterfeit United States obligations with fraudulent intent is a violation of Title 18, Section 472 of the United States Code and is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
Why don't you go ahead and read the damn page you linked to. You might just might just maybe will learn something.
apparently, your the one that needs to read the whole page...
secretservice.gov posted: Possession of counterfeit United States obligations with fraudulent intent is a violation of Title 18, Section 472 of the United States Code and is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
secretservice.gov posted: Printed reproductions, including photographs of paper currency, checks, bonds, postage stamps, revenue stamps, and securities of the United States and foreign governments (except under the conditions previously listed) are violations of Title 18, Section 474 of the United States Code. Violations are punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
i bolded the 2 seperate important parts...
notice.. section 472 and 474
different SECTIONS, different LAWS
the one about fraudulent intent is counterfeit united states obligations.. NOT currency... jackhole.
*edits*
and for the sake of information, US Obligations refer to CDs, bonds or other things that state the us gov owes you money
