<<So what if a group runs with 2-3 zerkers, we dont come complaining when a group of hibs has 5 MoC chanters... now do we?>>


This is the stupidest argument I've seen yet.


5 MoC Chanters = 70 total RA points


How much can 2-3 zerkers get for 70 RA points?


Zerkers will have around 2000 hitpoints, Ignore Pain, Purge, studded armor, evade 3, at least 2/3 parry.


Enchanters will have at the most 1000 hitpoints, and cloth armor.


Mastery of Concentration doesn't stop you from being killed. And seeing as they can't move to cast, it's fairly easy to avoid those high damage PBAE's. Based on the numbers we have all seen (but Mids deny), all 5 of those Chanters would die in 1 hit, 2 at the absolute most.


Zerkers do caster damage without sacrificing anything except the ability to do AE damage.

Faed, zerkers get healed by healers unless the healers are preoccupied.


And I have a SS to show that I am not exagerating. So call me a liar if you want, I will call you one as well and be done with it, you violet clad hampster you. And if you havent learned by now that zerker damage is broken regardles of resists, realm rank and epic armor, well, i have a nice and happy stfu with your name on it


See you out there, hope i can shove my spear up your skirt.

Weeee..


Why argue against them when they make the points so well themselves?


Go Adry!


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faeyd, that was meant as a joke... jeeze


"So call me a liar if you want, I will call you one as well and be done with it, you violet clad hampster you"


ouch, you sure got me there. whatever shall i do! (sarcasm). ive run with her since we were both skiltvaktens, though with a 4 month break on my part. i think i at least KNOW what im talking about. cry more?


kowyn. i do 500-900 damage (roughly, ive never done 1k yet) every 3.3 seconds, chanters do about 500 each.. 2 seconds? thats 1k damage in about the time it takes me the same, overall enchanters do damage faster than i. do i whine about chnater PBAE? no, i dun recall doing so

"do i whine about chnater PBAE?"


How do you get away from a chanter PBAE? How do you get away from a zerker?


The difference is the problem.

 

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"So what if a group runs with 2-3 zerkers, we dont come complaining when a group of hibs has 5 MoC chanters... now do we?"


Right, that's because your 3 zerkers can all gerbil and one-two punch every chanter there in 6 seconds flat.


I've been on the receiving end of a 1024 mainhand followed by a 237 offhand before. Unless my druid is a nurture druid with the best battery heal AND lightning reflexes with the instaheal/group instaheal, I'm literally dead instantly. I've seen one berserker kill 3 casters before zerk wears off and AFTER being stunned. (purge/determ/resists take care of the only surefire method of controlling a gerbiled zerk out there)


Casters also can't ignore pain their damage away. Casters also don't run around with 2k+ hps (we cap out between 1300 and 1450 depending on race/realm).


I could go on, but you just wouldn't get the point, so I'll cut to the chase.


MOC DOES NOTHING IF YOU ARE DEAD IN ONE COMBAT ROUND.

Enchanters have less the half a Zerkers hitpoints and can easily be interrupted or avoided, have better armor and better overall defenses (Evade, Parry, ect).


I can run out of range before a PBAOE'er gets me - can't do that anymore with a Zerker.


Zerker's are light tanks doing Mage-like damage on a Good Day(tm) for the mage.


Something needs to be toned down, and I find it hard to believe people even argue about it.

 

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Oh, and it should not require two group purges, individual purge, ignore pain, root, and mez, coordinated with twitch heals, twitch nearsights, and heavy pet damage, just to counteract one pac healer and 3 berserkers... but it does.


Justify that if you can. (and while you're at it remind me why midgard is the only realm with ae stun AND instant ae stun)

<<i do 500-900 damage (roughly, ive never done 1k yet) every 3.3 seconds, chanters do about 500 each.. 2 seconds? thats 1k damage in about the time it takes me the same, overall enchanters do damage faster than i. do i whine about chnater PBAE? no, i dun recall doing so >>


If the Zerker's average hit point total is 2000, with IP they can easily hit 4000 hps. For the sake of argument we'll say 3500 hps because nobody IP's at 0.


The Enchanter's average hit point total is probably around 750-1000.


If you hit for 500-900 every 3.3 seconds, how long on average does it take to kill an enchanter? 3.3-6.6 seconds.


If enchanters do 500 every 2 seconds (not including the added stun and debuff times), how long does it take for one to kill a zerker? 14 seconds.


Now I'm no math expert, so maybe someone can fill me in on which number is higher, 14 or 6?