AE Stun is next to worthless, seriously, if you actually played one you would know AE Mez >> Ae Stun most of the time, unless your group consists of total retards who never heard of /assist before.


Ofcourse bolt range mez is real nice, nobody complains about that.

/orders a pizza while waiting for theurgist love.

"give us aoe stun, aoe insta stun, aoe insta mezz, and insta mezz, please."


There are almost no Pac healers anymore. My guild (on best days 1 million RP / group) has not one left, 9 healers total in the guild. The inst spells are very short (after resists and/or determination) and the healer has to give up good heals for this. Also Albs can get immunity to CC with SOS (yes IT IS immnunity if used right) and Hibs with Group Purge and BAOD.


Bolt Range very long mezz >>> short inst mezz.


Besides this albs have already very short insta pbae mezz. (I'm still standing 10 seconds which is a long time in a fight), inst single stun and off evade long stun.


"Give us endurance buff that doesn't use power to run."


This buff kills abolutely our buffing capabilities, our main buffer has to give up 40% of his buffing capacity. Our power regen is also conc based so a good Mid group without a buffbot is MUCH worse buffed than a good Alb/Hib group. Additionally Albs have the buff on a class with very strong defence, Mids on one with no defence.


"Allow us to spec 2h weapons wihtout using 2x spec points."


We have no 2 handed styles, Alb/Hib 2 Handed damage >> Mid damage.


"Give us a class with 100 str."


You have a class with 70 str, fully buffed there is almost no difference. Also keep in mind that the 100 str class has very low dex.


"Give us a nuker that can debuff his own damage type for a 179 delve dd."


The value is 175 with a very long cast time (3 sek). In order to get it the runemaster has to give up 10 sek PBT!! Not one gank group will take a runemaster without PBT.


"Give us perfect recovery."


This spell plain sucks compared to Alb/Hib Ras. In most 8 vs 8 encounters 8 die in one group, 0 in another. So you have to start loosing in order to use it. You have a tank with 2300 hp and full resis and get one with 1600, normal resis and no endu buff. great. Make this an AE spell and you can compare it to BOF.


"Allow those pallys to hit you back for more than 60 damage"


Paladin is a very powerful class, one of the most powerful in the game, if Paladins would do good damage there would be no point in playing any other class.


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As you see Midgard abilities are total crap compared to I win buttons like BOF, SOS, VP, FH, SB, Ablative Chant, Bolt Range very long mezz, Chain stunning pets.


Midgard needs serious RA love to be brought on par with Hibernia and Albion.


The biggest problem of Albion is too many classes. An usual Albion group is totally gimped because of this. But an Alb gang group has far superior abilities compared to a Mid gank group, if both play very well Mids loose.


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I'm fully aware 2 spec lines of Theurgists need serious love (and one a nerf), there are almost no playing Theurgists on my server. The problem is - bring PBT to Albion would give it total melee imunity (combined with BOF and Ablative Chant). Be aware that the Midgard PBT class (suppression Runi) has also crap damage so it is also very rarely played.


I think a fix to BOF (reduction from +50% absorb to 20%) could give a compensation (and be still more powerfull that any Mid RA!!) so earth Theurgists could get some love then.


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I do agree mids are in need of some more snabby RA's, but just cause your gank group doesnt have a pac healer doesnt mean they dont exist. Percival there are plenty of pac healers, and alot of people still think they are fun to play unlike earth/ice theurgists. And wind does not need a nerf, in no shape or form. The pets do not chain stun nearly to the extent that people claim them to, we have logs gathered by the TL himself proving this, they are all over the Theurgist TL board. If you say otherwise, then post your own logs that show how they are overpowering people with chain stuns.


And on a side note supp runie is far more usefull, fun, and a better killer then an earth theurgist is. You really can't compare the two, I know plenty of good supp runies, and I would not mind respecing my Runemaster to supp as much as I would mind even PLAYING my earth theurgist. Maybe its preference but why don't you try them both and then make your decision.


There are strategies to get around the albion uber RA's, but I guess it really isnt fair if it takes sooper skills to beat them at a game they can play fairly easily. Still no reason for theurgists to suffer on acount of the other classes, I mean we pay our monthly fee too, and we have never gotten anything new, and have been dealt with mostly nerfs. And its really not fair to see enchanters get loving when everyone complained about them being overpowered, now even more then ever, and then us theurgists get a slap in the face with pbt nerfs. Maybe if more people played earth theurgists you would see less of these mystical "chain stunning" pets, ever see it that way?

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darkdims my point wasn't to say that midgard is better, but that the realms are different. each has its benefits ....


i'm sick of reading whines about 'albion has this and it makes them so much more uber and they are undefeatable' Midgard has plenty of tools that people neglect to mention when they whine about albions uberness. While i feel that midgards unique RAs need some help, half the reason albion has a lot better RA's atm, (i'm sure) is because that on a base skill-skill comparison albion loses to other realms.


I am thoroughly enjoying midgard atm. I don't understand why others don't

"I'm fully aware 2 spec lines of Theurgists need serious love (and one a nerf)"


Sorry...but all Theurgist lines are lacking something, some much, much more than others. (Earth & Ice lines) Seriously, do your research, and stop with this bandwagon idea that Wind seriously has some kind of cheat/exploit advantage to it.


Honestly, Theurgists need another nerf as much as Enchanters need more powerful DDs.

Wonder when ppl will finally stop calling air pets an "insta win button".


Can anyone explain me how casting 5-6 pets (so you get a good chance enemy is stunned) is a "INSTA WIN BUTTON".


Kabold why dont you just shut up? Maybe you should go and look up the word "instant" in a dictionary or ask on of your midgard healers.


Calling the theurgist air spec overpowered is like calling the enchanter mana spec gimped.


I dont know how often i already posted it here, and it starts to get annoying, but HOW can a specline with a simple single target spec nuke, a nearly useless gimped AOE mezmerize and some pets, that are only really useful in 1 vs 1 encounters or to distract healers/mezzers, but cost a SHITLOAD of power, be overpowered? can anyone explain me that plz?


OK, air spec isnt as broken as cold or earth spec, but its NOT overpowered.

"OK, air spec isnt as broken as cold or earth spec, but its NOT overpowered."


Agreed, and that's why there's not a billion threads on page 1 full of cries to "nerf the theurgist I Win button!". Most people actually have sense. The ones who come here to complain know that they're coming to a thread that only the unloved theurgists read (/cry), so nobody else will see their idiocy and they can shamelessly up their post count without fear.