Thanks for inviting me to join, I guess you reached your post count by backing off at a post number of 10 too. Btw. I'm playing in Europe and have just recently noticed these boards.


Anyway, I'm all for filled spec lines and less of cookie-cutter-spec classes. And the Ice line looks all attractive to me. But plz don't try to suggest you can't kill anyone 1 on 1. And on top of that, you can choose to split up your damage to keep multiple opponents busy for much longer than just the casting time of a single spell. That's more than most other classes can do.

"Like I said in an earlier post, your pet has actually done something... it made someone sprint instead of contributing anything useful. I consider making people run for their life quite powerful. Sure, a group can help the poor healer with pets on him, yet this will occupy more characters than it took to create the menace - one Theurgist. "


A couple of problems with that statement.


Based upon the 'healer' comment above, I assume that you're a midgard player. At speed 6, it takes a Savage about 2 seconds to find and kill the theurgist. When the theurgist dies, the elementals die.


If the theurgist was Air instead of Earth and had spent the 12 seconds nuking with an air DD instead of stacking earth pets the healer would probably be dead instead of 'irritated because he can't cast anything but instas'. OMG fear the power of the interrupt. Maybe the earth theurgist will cast Friction on the enemy tanks as well so they hit harder?


If you've been in the theurgist's shoes playing against Hibernia; StT sends all your elementals back to the caster. The only person they'll be menacing is the theurgist if they cast more than one pet vs Hibernia. The theurgist doesn't have the luxury of a stun to act as CC on the elemental that comes back to them.


Earth / Ice and Ice / Earth Theurgists have huge power problems. Say you've been given the luxury of 10-12 uninterrupted seconds cast 4 earth elementals, then you're at about 60% power. Worse, if you're using 6 sec PBT, your high power cost ice baseline nuke with huge variance (at about 8-10% of your mana per nuke) won't really let you kill anyone - l. You'll be out of power and unable to do anything but sprint (sound familiar?).


Ice elementals are completely worthless. They can never seem to find LoS. When they do find LoS and don't move to interrupt their own slow cast, the DD that they hit with isn't even worth it - like the level 18 specline ice nuke (<100 dmg). Sometimes they go into 'melee mode' and hit like a marshmellow.


It's ok, though. Continue to try to convince people that earth and ice spec theurgists are 'just fine'. Eventually there will be no more non-bot earth and ice theurgists.


Since earth and ice theurgists are gimp anyways, you'll essentially be doing Albion a favor. Once more players lose hope that their earth or ice theurgist will ever be of any use RvR, they'll be respeccing Air or rerolling as body Sorc's. And you and your realmmates keep wondering why Albion has so many hard hitting DD nukers.


Since you think that earth and ice theurgists are 'just fine as they are', I'd welcome you to try /levelling up an earth/ice theurgist on Albion Lancelot. Send me a /tell ingame and I'll even set you up with some gold and equipment.

my average life expectancy in RVR after casting 3-4 pets in most cases is 4 seconds.

bump for theurgy love

Does anyone else have a valid agruement that theurgs are fine, I would love to hear something other then "OU HAVE PETS"

Actually I meant healer as in healer classes, I would write class names with capitals. I admit I play a lot of healers (basically the first class I start on any server), and there's no Theurgist among my Alb chars, but Albion is very strong on about every server here in Europe, so I play there about twice a week and spend most of my time in Hibernia (Mid chars currently shelved, also very high populations depending on the server). Anyway, I meet Theurgists frequently in RvR ...


Now on your points:


1. Root the Savage, gain range. Your Theurgist is not better off to this melee beast (with no range) than any other cloth caster. Your point?


2. You actually want to bring in RAs? To strengthen your argument in favor of an Alb class in RvR against Hib and Mid? Please don't, or I might advice your Cleric to press BoF in the scenario against Midgard. Yes Mentalists have a powerful RA against pet mages, so what? It's not one of the most powerful out there, and very specific unlike some others which rule out 50% of the classes by ungodly resists to the tools of those classes (BoF and BAoD) or the Mega-HoTs FH and AM.

Yeah and don't even mention our ALL powerful SEIGE BOLT, hmmm an RA that doesn't hurt the enemy in any way, and doesn't really even do that much damage to a keep door. Yeah find me 5 theurgs that actually have this RA PLEASE, I would love to talk with them, only theurg i've met with Siege bolt is like RR7 or something.


Give it up you have no valid points to say theurgs are fine or that we are just whinning, your first point about pets is just crazy and to even bring up the word RA with a theurg is laughable.

bump

Here are some easy ideas, make the pets insta cast on a 1 second timer, you can pop off a mob of em really fast. Perhaps let the theurg summon up 2 pets that don't expire instead of summoning up a small, soon-to-be-dead army. How about making bladeturn use no power so earth theurgs can do something other than run bladeturn or put a 50 DD in the earth line? How about letting them summon up little paladins that can heal and fight before they die? I think there are a lot of easy things that can be done if mythic wants to try them out.

elementals... the definition of theurg... they should be our best + but they are our best -


because of them, we are mana whore, we are the * kill me * guy, we are offical casters distraction providers, we don't have Mythic attention because we have them and what, it's enough ?


if theurgist class is * done *, then its * pets * should be worth the 12% mana they cost