please read my edit.

*I* kicked you for having a d00d nick?


also.. that's one thing about ACDev that users need to be aware of.. READ THE RULES... kicks are part of the channel. If you don't like being kicked, then you probably don't want to be in there.. most of the time the kicks are just for... well.. kicks... fun and games.

it's like telling a bunch of cops that krispy kream donuts is opening across the street. If it dont happen they get mad. So they dun wanna get the communities hopes up.

Heh, being kicked from that channel is part of the fun!

IRC kicks? I'm going to cancel my Friday night plans and log in to IRC, that sounds like a place that parties!

Yeah, I was kicked too. I remember kicking people on my IRC server "because I could", I think I was like age 8 at the time.

Kiersiege: sounds to me like you know nothing about the channel or the people in it.... more specifically me. I'm not going to get into it, because this isn't the place, but to make blanket statements like that are just untrue generalizations.


If you had bothered to hang out in channel for more than a day, you could get a feel for the devs there and how the channel is run.


As I meantioned above, the reason we don't want the server/channel posted to the VNBoards is because then we get every single person who is even remotely interested in Decal joining and pestering us. We get enough of that here, we don't need it in the channel as well. With enough people, it becomes difficult to manage, and we spend more time doing channel management than actual DECAL work.


Also as I meanted before, the people who cannot find it on their own are not the kind of people we want the Beta Decal in the hands of. People who cannot find the channel unless told DIRECTLY where it is are not the kind of people that make good testers in our opinion. So we leave it up to the people who do a little leg work and can find it on their own. At least that satisfies one of the tests to be a Decal Tester.


As any Decal tester can probably tell you, Patch Day in ACDev gets VERY annoying and VERY bad. It is compounded by the fact that people feel it necessary to post the channel information here when we've asked them not to.


So if that makes me elitist, then fine, but don't claim to know anything that you're talking about when it comes to the Channel or the people in it.

accrazy: it's been posted before, but I'll post it again in case you hadn't read it..


the problems we're currently having are with the rendering engine in Decal. That code is 4 years old, and has remained pretty much untouched in that 4 years. It certainly hasn't changed since the last update to SourceForge. Pretty much the only thing that closeing the project has done is change the encryption of the memlocs and also to add things to DenAgent.


There is nothing preventing anyone from downloading, editing, and recompiling a new decal with an updated rendering engine, then submitting the changes to us. If people really wanted to go through the decal core and fix it to work, then by all means, they are welcome to do so since the code has remained pretty much untouched.


With that said, we are not specifically the only ones working on it. The core developers have actually asked some additional people to assist with the rendering changes, and some progress is being made with that. With that in mind, if you were really wanting to contribute, you can do as I suggested above, and also hang out in ACDev without getting in the way and asking "can I help" over and over again.


Make the changes.. tell us what you've found, and then we'll be more than happy that someone else has contributed something useful... until that happens, then we will just continue doing what we are currently doing.

Thx for the civil reply Drak. Hope I can contribute.


On another note, the comment -WeMax- makes about attitudes strikes home with me too. 20 years ago when alot of us started programming, attitudes were the 'in thing'...nowadays, theres always way more someones thats a little smarter, a little younger, and a little wiser...(although just the opposite is true in a lot of cases)


Point being, this is the 1st time I have seen one of you say what you did about adding ideas and not being a pain in the arse...I've always gotten the impression that "We have the devs, we have the beta-testers, the rest of you piss-off"


But thats stricly an impression I get from reading posts here...(sigh)


But anyhow, carry on!!!


Edited for Friday night drinking spell check

I think a lot of people misinterpret what is said on the boards without knowing the people who are saying it.


I'm sure a lot of the stuff I say can be taken the wrong way, and come off the wrong way if you don't know who I am, or know anything about me. That is one reason I suggest just merely hanging out in ACDev. You can watch people and get a feel for them. (notice I didn't say come to ACDev and make a pain of yourself as some people like to do).


Getting to know the people behind the posts makes a lot of posts make more sense and give a better understanding of the Devs. Its hard to know someone just on some posts you've read.. especially when the posts are replies to insults, baiting, or otherwise VNBoards style.


Know what I mean?