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Author Topic: FYI: If you use xTank, you can not use any of the "It's" plugins. [Locked]
-Zalliun-  1 star
Posts: 89
Registered: 2002-1-30 14:07:47
So someone makes a program in his spare time and gives it away for free and people think they have a right to question his eula.


If some people used half the time they use complaining to learn to program they could have made their own plugins right about now.


Its a free program quit whining and playing pocket humanright/legal activist

 

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pgrivas1
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Gouru's EULA is legal. It's forbiding the use of his plugin(s) while certain conditions exist. Not forbiding the end user from installing *tank. Gouru's intent is that his work is not used to aid in any form or shape combat macroing (ACM or UCM).
Striderlongshanks  1 star
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You guys spend way to much time arguing about nothing lol.


Would you rather Gouru add a ban list like certain combat macro program(s) (as far as I know still does this at least) does and PREVENT you from using it instead of just asking you not to?


I'd be willing to bet yall would be up in arms and want to call the state attorney generals to storm Gouru's house and burn it down, for heaven forbid he is infringing on your god given rights to do anything you want. Much like you did over the ucm plugin(s) banning of certain people huh?


Really is too funny lol


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MT_Gouru  3 stars
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LancePierce posted:

"Legally I have the right to put any restrictions on the use of that product I wish (but not on the use of other products)."


Any restrictions? So you can say that if the player is a Puerto Rican female (not necessarily physically in Puerto Rico), that the player may not use your software?



I'm not trying to write a book, essay or law so I reserve the right not to spell out every nit-picky detail. I did state later in the same message "es, license terms CAN be trumped by state laws in VERY specific instances, but in general the power is in the hands of the creator. I doubt you will find any laws that invalidate my license agreement.".


Legally I can put the restriction that blacks cannot use my software (to push the true hot button) and this is a case where it would most probably be trumped by state/federal anti-discrimination laws. On the other hand, I COULD restrict distribution from those areas that would actually have the unmitigated gall to sell It! to a black person, and that would be perfectly legal.


The Sony case IIRC included sending that information back to Sony, breaking privacy laws. Inspecting your computer to make sure it meets minimum standards is perfectly legal. AC checks that you have D3D installed, Decal validates that you have AC installed and refuses to run if not. Microsoft Office Upgrade edition checks your computer to see if an 'eligible' product is installed, and takes appropriate action.


Any such action I took with It! would a) not interfere with the normal use of your computer b) not interfere with your running of any other piece of software and c) not report it's findings.


Ultimately, there are a LOT of 'what ifs', and its not worth anyones time to try to discuss them all. Bottom line, my EULA is valid in the USA. The type of enforcement I've considered is legal in the USA. Like any EULA, there are special situations, and when people ask, I will try to clarify how I would apply it in that situation, and the thought process behind that.


In the case of this EULA the basic thought process is this. I do not want It! to support combat macroing in any way. At a minimum, I do not want It! installed on a machine that has combat macro capable software installed. I do not want products created by It! to be used in combat macroing.


If people disagree with my EULA, they are free to use any other software or plugins they choose, or may even write their own.


Bottom line...It! is mine, I have not given up rights on It!, I choose to allow others to use It! at no charge under specific conditions. I accept donations NOT as payment or registration of the software, but as a 'thank you' gift for those that believe in tangible 'thank you's. Donations give you NO additional capabilities or rights with It!


If you have specific questions on how the EULA should be applied in your specific circumstances, I'll happily respond to them. I think I'm finished with all the general 'what if' scenarios.
Tevatron  1 star
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Look people, it's the SAME thing as if Gouru lent me his car and told me not to smoke in it. Sure I could. I could mask the smell as well, but I would not be respecting his wishes if I did. If I drove it to the store to buy some smokes I'm sure he would be displeased but it's keeping within the spirit and stated word.
Arch_Magi  3 stars
Title: The Lord of Chaos
Posts: 827
Registered: 2002-10-31 14:31:20
MT_Gouru posted:

Political is what Arch-Magi is about. My best guess is he likes to intentionally misstate what people say in order to cause controversy, thus the very first post in this thread. I wouldn't let him upset you.


And now I remember why I quit posting here. Time for another vacation



I'm sorry, did I misquote you Gouru? I don't think I did, but please feel free to correct my quote of you. Or feel free to change your License agreement, because your quote, your license agreement and what I am saying are all jiving.


pgrivas1 posted:

Gouru's EULA is legal. It's forbiding the use of his plugin(s) while certain conditions exist. Not forbiding the end user from installing *tank. Gouru's intent is that his work is not used to aid in any form or shape combat macroing (ACM or UCM).



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-Gol-  1 star
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Just being curious here, I didn't read all the posts before this...


Do you plan to also ban the use of Skunkworks with the It! plugins, since it *can* be used to UCM? Failure to do so would seem quite hypocritical.
Tevatron  1 star
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Gol,


Straight from the EULA;


You agree not to use Sort It! with any software that violates the Decal Code of Ethics or Asheron's Call Code of Conduct. Specifically, you will not use Sort It! with programs capable of combat macroing, and only use it with an official version of Decal.
MT_Gouru  3 stars
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Arch-Magi, yes you claim conflicts where none exist. Others can see it as well, so I won't bother to try to educate you.
MT_Gouru  3 stars
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-Gol- posted:

Just being curious here, I didn't read all the posts before this...


Do you plan to also ban the use of Skunkworks with the It! plugins, since it *can* be used to UCM? Failure to do so would seem quite hypocritical.



No...Skunkworks is not capable of Combat Macroing. Neither is Decal or Windows XP. Any Skunkwork script that is capable of Combat Macroing however would be in violation. So Skunkworks users are fine. Users that install WarBot are not.

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