I'm sorry if you feel it is childish for someone that creates something to want to limit how that thing is used. Or to use those creations to support the things he believes in. I don't see it that way, but then again, I wasn't raised with a false sense of entitlement.


The It! plugins have functionality that existed long before them, and were written primarily when support of those earlier products was dropped. Find It! was written when Sixth Sense support dropped, Make It! was written when Robochef support dropped. Zyrca wrote Einstein specifically as a non-combat macro answer to many of the features available in combat macros. I am providing a non-combat macro option for those that would prefer combat macros be gone.

Hehe, if you didn't make them yourself, don't worry about it. If you did make them yourself, I assume you already know what program (if any) created them.

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I'm sorry if you feel it is childish for someone that creates something to want to limit how that thing is used. Or to use those creations to support the things he believes in. I don't see it that way, but then again, I wasn't raised with a false sense of entitlement.


The It! plugins have functionality that existed long before them, and were written primarily when support of those earlier products was dropped. Find It! was written when Sixth Sense support dropped, Make It! was written when Robochef support dropped. Zyrca wrote Einstein specifically as a non-combat macro answer to many of the features available in combat macros. I am providing a non-combat macro option for those that would prefer combat macros be gone.

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You have your opinion Gouru, unfortunately it and your past history about Tank in specific just lack the sincerity your trying to push. "Some" people who use tank never even put it in anything but buff mode and use it for the huds, so you are attempting to punish people who don't use the plugins for the reason your stating.


Would you buy a car that could read speed limit signs and prevented you from driving the way you wanted to drive and limited the speed the car would go? There are many ways of doing what you are stating is your goal without dragging yourself to the gutter. It is my disappointment in the way your doing this that tells me you aren't sincere in your goals that is why I will no longer use your plugins. And as a FYI, there have been FAR more people who used skunkworks or actools to combat macro than your probably aware of, since the people serious about it either write code in those or their own plugins to do so.


I know that doesn't bother you, but it is my opinion.

...Yes, I would buy that car. I hate speeding and do it most often without realizing it. I also drive with reasonable stopping space in front of me. It does tend to anger other drivers, so mote it be.


I am not attempting to punish anybody. I am asking them not to use my software. How is that punishment? Are we using the same definition of this word?


I'm curious where the 'sincerity' argument is coming from? How is what I'm doing any different from my positions on El Tank in the past? What have I done in the past that makes you think I'm insincere on my position on Combat Macros? What have I done that has dragged me into the gutter? Stood up for my principles? Included my principles in the products I create? Respond to Arch-Magi? (Okay...granted that last one might count)


Do you honestly think I'm unaware of combat macros written in skunkworks or actools? Those combat macros also are covered by my EULA. I can see where you may disagree with my position, but how in the world can you call it insincere? Are we using the same definition of that word?

<< ElTank is just as "not able to UCM" as Skunkworks ... Sure if you install a script into Skunk it will UCM, just like if you have a "Helper" program to bypass ElTanks timeout feature. >>


Which is why comparing Skunkworks to Decal is more correct then comparing Skunkworks to El Tank. Comparing a script for Skunkworks to El Tank is what you should do.


Little logic goes a long way.

 

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Logic has no place here.

Wow, is this a hornets nest, lol


A question for Goru on his EULA.


I use EL Tank but I do not UCM in any way shape or form. EL Tank has features that (and please do not take offence) that work better for me than FindIt. I also like Elgars' HUD diplays over any others. I can not get SortIt to act anything like Stacker which is all I need. But I need somethiing to make stuff with and MakeIt does the job. However, I do not use it because of your EULA and how i understand it.


Also, EL Tank has my monarchy listed as a non-UCM allowed monarchy and up until the Alpha 5 releases, would actually prevent me from using EL Tank to UCM (hey Elgar, this function is broke, are you going to repair it?).


However, based on your discussions on AC Devvelopment site, just the act of having them both loaded on my machine together is a violation of your EULA. I have seen several discussion where people have had both listed in there export and someone slammed them for violation of the EULA. However, I do not exceed the statement in your EULA of using your plugin with any plugin that will UCM (assuming Elgar corrects the auto check for monarchies that does not allow UCM). I do not use MakeIt because of this and am waiting for Stacker to get fixed to work with Decal Alopha 5.


I do have Maddy's Castaway loaded and find it very stable over what EL Tank Decal 3 version was for me. Have not tried the EL Tank Beta 5 version yet.

"Not going to read all this, but even though I don't have Tank or Lifetank installed I will not be using any of of the It! plugins because I think this is a selfish and irresponsible way to do things. Not to mention very childish." -- Myrdhyn


Gouru's EULA is on the honor system (currently). It takes an adult view of the world to respect that and honestly, it really isn't that difficult. A child will do whatever he or she wishes if they think they can get away with it. Many adults will do this do but it is those people I would classify as selfish and childish.


If you see a vegetable stand by the side of the road with a box where you can deposit cash, do you take the food without paying just because you can? Do you shoplift because there are no cameras or store employees watching? If you find a wallet on the ground, do you just take the cash because you can? etc, etc, etc.


When you understand why you shouldn't do these things, then you may call yourself an adult. Until then, talk to the hand.

Are any of you old enough to remember the P&P game "Champions"?


in the game you created a Super Hero... skills for that super hero had a chance to work based on a roll of 3d6 (3 to 18)... for example, you may have a weakness of "flee from a fight" (Cowardice) on a 6 or less (in combat, roll 3d6, on a roll of 6 or less, you run away)


As we learned to play the game, we learned about ways to make some characters quite strong... while it was "Within the rules" it was not in the spirit of the rules (Strengths and weaknesses were supposed to be balanced)... We called this a Player Skill (as opposed to a Character Skill) of "Find-Hole-In-Rules" and would rate each other accordingly...


Some of the folks posting on this thread are getting close to the Find hole in rules on an 18 or less Lead Standard of rule bending...


It is really quite simple...

Gouru has made a request for those that use his software... if you don't like the rules, don't use it... I don't...

If you like Gouru's work, or want to thank him for his efforts, donate to him... I have...

If you are the type to ignore EULA's and use things as you see fit, then thank Gouru for not (yet) disabling his own software when combat macro's are detected.

And for those of you that are trying to find holes in the rules… SHAME ON YOU!

I loved that game.


1d6 Armor Piercing, Rapid Fire.


8d6 Area of Effect, Does no knockback.


WooT! Those were the days of good games.


But you are missing the fact that some people aren't trying to be a "rules rapist", they are simply trying to clarify a poorly worded EULA.


I for one am not being a "rules rapist", I'm adhearing to both the letter and the spirit of his EULA. I choose to boycott ALL his programs and have ask all members of my guild and anyone else who will listen to do the same. If they do, that is their choice, if they don't, that is their choice too.


Aren't principles and free speach wonderful?