I will honor his EULA. I believe in his rights to do as he wishes. While I'm saddened he choose that. I will abide by it. But I do think he should still put in the line of code to detect and disable (upon detection). It would be his right and I think alot more people will start to read EULA's! (I know I was lax and ignorant of that!). I will just wish to warn him how he goes about detecting it. Either that or insert in his EULA about his detect process and not to use program is the detect process violates any laws. Be it federal or local. I know in Texas there is a fine line here.

Graybeard, I am against Combat Macroing, and plugins capable of Combat macroing, not just UCM. I am not familiar with how the monarchy restrictions in El Tank work.


Cases like you describe are one reason I haven't put a 'detector' in my plugins. The term 'using with' is a little vague, however at a very broad definition, having both installed at the same time could be considered 'using with' and I prefer the broad definition. Do you ever, EVER turn on automated combat, even for just 30 seconds while you run to the potty? Do you use Make It! to create the items used later in Combat Macroing? Are you supporting Combat Macroing for others when you choose to download, install and run Tank? Do you post regularly about how Combat Macroing is allowed and 'okay' even if you don't do it yourself?


Arch-Magi and others may lambast me for a 'fuzzy' EULA, oh well. It's not about the law, it's about personal responsibility and karma. The more completely you try to specify an EULA, the more the bunkhouse lawyers try to find the loopholes, and you end up with the complexity of the IRS tax code, which people STILL find loopholes in. This is a game, not politics.


Most of us here are adults, and can make reasonable, informed decisions. The penalty for not following my EULA is bad karma. And in my experience, Karma doles out much worse penalties than anything I could think of.


If in your heart of hearts you believe you are honoring the word and intent of the EULA, then enjoy. I've explained what Combat Macroing is in terms of the EULA, basically, if you have to press fewer keys to kill a monster that what a melee without Decal does, then it's a combat macro.

this thread is rediculous


"you cant use my plug-ins because i dont like yours"


lol what a joke, dont worrie i wont use "it" LMAO get a life

Amazing how well this thread functions as a 'sorting hat'

I love ya Methods


And your reasoning for what makes Combat Macroing


If you ever have a need to make the IT line dissabled when Combat Macroing is Detected send me a Tell on ideas you have I would love to learn how to dissable my plugin on detection of other things running on a system as well


The stance against UCM (having a Bot fight for you) is one that we can only hold if we as plugin developers actually can make a statement with what we have. We have control of how we design our plugins. We have the Right to Dissable them at any time for any reason. El Tank and LifeTank I beleive used to even if they don't now. Legitimately used plugins should in spirit not be used with illigitamate or illegally used or altered plugins.


I think we need more plugin designers like Gouru who take their ethics and infuse them into their plugins. I always feel my plugin is like my little "Baby" and I as a "Father" teach it the Ethics I grew up with. A plugin that can function in a certain way might even have a "Spirit" in it?


Anyway Keep up the Good work Gouru although I don't use any other plugin (Besides DHS which is included in Decal) but my own I think that what your doing in your EULA is a great step in getting Decal Plugins out of the Gutter and Asheron's Call back into the lime light

You should probably add anyone who uses or runs trade bots to your "do not use me" EULA. Many of the potions, arrows, and such sold could be later used by a UCMer. I would also put in that people who associate with people who UCM should not use it, as they could get items to UCM with from their associates.

Yeah, and everybody that buys a personal computer should be added as well, because someday they might purchase AC, install it, install Decal, load a Combat Macro program and use products made with Make It!


On the other hand, since I've already addressed the issue bring up in this thread, I could simply refer you to earlier posts. Or perhaps to the 'common sense' post I made earlier.


However, if you want to put those kinds of requirements in your EULA, feel free. It is after all yours.

My bad, I took this from above:


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Do you ever, EVER turn on automated combat, even for just 30 seconds while you run to the potty? Do you use Make It! to create the items used later in Combat Macroing?

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You must have said something different somewhere else in all this.

Yes, I explained it more fully earlier. I don't always repeat myself in the same detail when I know I stated it in more detail earlier in the thread.

Thank you Arch- Magi for being this to my attention.


I admit I have failed to read the EULA for the IT plug-ins. I shall be more careful in the future.


Thank you Gouru for your clarifications. I have truly enjoyed using Sort it and have thought about trying out some of the other "IT" plug-ins.


Now that I have more knowledge and a better understanding I will consider carefully which plug-ins I use and what alternatives their my be for those plug-ins.


I appreciate all the work the decal and plug-in devs have done and do wish to honor their requests on the usage of such.


now I am off to decide which features I really want and which plug-ins do handle those features the best