KaBOOM, I'm not looking for support. My links with AC are done. It's over. I'm not even looking to get revenge upon Turbine. I'm simply withdrawing all of my support of contributed services from Turbine.

Sure if I wanted revenge then the easiest way would be to release a full UCM plugin. However that would go against all that I believe in. I agree'd to follow the rules when I started playing AC. That hasn't changed even now that I'm no longer a customer.


OldNavyGuy, Turbine had my support for many years. Through all the times they ignored their customers. Through all the times they seemed to be trying to kill off AC. Through all the times of lack luster patches. Through all the times of NO patches. Through all the times they kept making changes to the game, impacting and altering the way I was forced to play. I cut them a break to help them in their troubled times. I willingly accepted the 6+ months of no patches so they could focus on the expansion. I paid the price hike early to support them in developing the expansion. I PAID for the access to their servers, and as a bonus they had my support and contributions as a plugin dev. I paid on multiple accounts.


Turbine is a company and not a person. They operate as a business and should be treated as such. If it were Bin-laden (sp) who had created AC, would you still be asking me to be more tollerant with them?

I have fond memories of AC. It was an absolutely great game. The game and the company are not one and the same though. Those that really created AC are not even there anymore. In fact those that made AC what it was were the players.


If Turbine had behaved professionally then I would still be considering future Turbine games. They didn't, so I'm not treating them as a reputable company to have dealings with. There is no way in hell I'd ever trust them with my account details again.

I boycotted AC2 over the launch fiasco where MS conned hundreds, if not thousands of pre-order customers. They sold the game to pre-order world wide, then 12 hours before the launch quiely (in a single post) informed everyone that only the US gets to play.

Turbine have been cut slack over and over. How much slack should you give a company? A company which is not a friend, but a buisiness. A business who has a responsibility to it's customers.

The slack should go the other way. We are/we're paying for the services they provide.

The babies in this thread is everyone that want to force their opinion down ElgarL's throat. He's got every rights to the plugin and as such that leave no one but him to make a decision. Leave the man alone, jebus.


AC Without ELTank is not the end of the world as we know it. Use other plugins to replace it, there's a bunch out there. Let's shine the spotlight on some other developers, they also deserve credits for putting endless hour in their plugins. (Even if they don't accomplish everything ELTank does.)


I can't believe the drama, it's like a reality show or osmethne.. Oh, wait.

I reiterate, let it die so he can go mine his precious ore

 

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Yeah, might as well let it die, that is AC and all that went with it. 'Remembering the Past' how prophetic a title for this month's patch. Before I even knew of this latest ElTank fiasco I thought what a strange title - my guess Turbine is deciding to pull the plug sooner than later.


I want to thank ALL the AC developers and helpers that have made the Decal plugins work and most consistently for many years. From Nerfus Buffus to whatever the latest is! This includes Elgar who whether you hate UCM'ers or are one - deserves at least a little respect for the best overall plugin developed. I started late to AC and have only played for 5 years, albeit part-time at that. Didn't use Eltank till 2004 and then mainly for timers and buffing. Eventually I did ACM with a mage I created, but only after learning how to play (very poorly) without it. Yes the UCM'ers in the popular dungeons were a pain and drag on XP - but I blamed the user not the developer whom created the tool. To be honest the whole XP chain thing was a much bigger problem than UCM'ing ever was.


Thank for the ride Elgar, Turbine never sucked up to anyone except M$.


My two cents.

Elgar, your links to AC are not entirely cut. You're posting on an AC related forum. I think everyone understands your position now, and you have made your say. Cut your ties now totally to AC, and don't read or post here any more. That way you can be totally free of the demon business that is Turbine. The people that post here are mostly still playing AC and enjoy the game. You won't convince them that Turbine is horrible, and for the most part, your posting here is just putting more hurt on the people that DO still enjoy the game and think that it's still worthwhile to play, even though Turbine DOES make mistakes. They also DO try (the big evil company that is Turbine still has people working on AC that really CARE about the game and play the game themselves...do you really think they care so little about the game that they PURPOSELY make mistakes???).


A lot of us enjoyed and used your plugin. If you are truly never coming back, never supporting El Tank any more, and really want to end all ties with Turbine...then please do so. Most people that leave the game (and really do intend to quit for good) are never heard from again. They just leave. By you continuing to post here does nothing except make people mad at you. Your position of not supporting Turbine is great, and I understand. Your cancelling your accounts will do that. Your pulling your support of your plugin only hurts the people still playing it..NOT Turbine. Turbine will continue LONG past your plugin, as will AC. You killing your plugin does NOTHING EXCEPT hurt the people playing the game. (They won't leave AC because of it, trust me...we all have found alternatives plugins). Turbine will not be hurt by your plugin dying along with all the other great ones. PERIOD.


AC is and was a community of players. It is an MMORPG. People (at least in my allegiance) help EACH OTHER. We help EACH OTHER enjoy the gameplay experience. That's the spirit of Decal. A spirit you seem to have forgotten in your attempt to "hurt" Turbine.


Goodbye Elgar.

 

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Its not Elgar you should be upset with its Turbine. Regardless of Elgars views or your views of Elgars views, If you really support eltank why doesn't everyone who is so upset that it is gone unsub for one month and threaten turbine of never resubing until they make certain things right with their former customers.


Elgar has nothing to loose here. He can stand all day on his morals and loose nothing. But you can hit turbine in the wallet. Most big companys have no morals when it comes to thier wallets. I doubt organization like this is possible in this arena but I tell you what if its true and 1000+ people are effected by this? Turbine would do whatever they could to right that financial loss for a second month.


Everyone has the right to blame whom ever they want for anything. I don't see how insulting elgar is going to do any good in this case though. It seems that what ever is behind Elgars morals he is not going to change. But I doubt Turbine has such a high standard, I think their definition of standards is much different than most.


Don't bite the hand that feeds you, bite the one that abuses you over and over again.

 

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Jaysus just let it go and move on.


Life will go on without Eltank, without Elgar and without AC when that day comes.


Plug it in, unplug it, stick it up your jumper for all I care, but for cryin out loud get on with it and move on.


At the end of the day its just a game and no one really cares.


N-E-X-T

 

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Minor correction Lam


Yes, it is just a game


Obviously, people do care.....look at the number of postings.

Plz Lock the thread, its all nonsense....buncha ticked off people vs one sour individual.


if you are done El then dont reply to anything. let this crap go. Any problems I ever had with turbine I called them and finished it with someone

I was going to lock it in a few days anyway. I was kinda leaving it open so people can get their frustrations out in one spot instead of littering the boards with one post wonders.


So.. it's still doing it's job for now =) And it really hasn't caused any problems either. Everyone has stayed relatively calm on both sides with their response and there are still a few constructive posts happening too.


-C

 

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