I gave players nine weeks (?) notice that ELTank may someday break, and it would not be revived. I took ELTank auths down close to (one day away) a patch day. If Turbine had even bothered to reply to the email address THEY GAVE to deal with these issues then the auth servers would likely still be up. Turbine totally ignored the situation, as if they don't care. Therefore none of my work and effort will go towards improving and aiding them with their game.


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You stated that if Turbine/Decal did something that would break Eltank, you were not going to support it. Instead, you intentionally broke it yourself in retalliation to your experience with Turbine. Believe me, you're not the only one that got mis-billed. The email I received was a mass email, and was delivered promptly to my junk mail folder.


Anywho.. you are perfectly within your rights to take down the auth server, but don't go acting like it's not your fault, and trying to blame others for your actions.

 

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It think its great you guys are going off on him we he gave you years of support for a game you played with out ever asking for irl cash. ~pimpinsins


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Umm? He(like most of the devs (both plug-in and decal)) carried PayPal links, on thier sites, for donations.


Elgar even went as far as bringing down ElTank, and forcing players to "pay-to-use" ... which quite a few did. Then after bowing to the pressure from the players, he released it as a free plug-in again. No one who paid, for the right to use ElTank was refunded.


Turbine, elgar, and even ourselves have made bad decisions ... regarding the "use" of ElTank. Blame can't be placed one one party only. ElTank belongs to him, he will do as he chooses. Just don't try to lay blame on everyone else, it's a choice you made.

 

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KaBOOM_SC, I ignore those comments . They are neither accurate, nor constructive.


What others see as me having a temper tantrum or throwing my toys out of the pram, others see in reality that it's akin to moving your hotdog stand to another ballpark because the one you were at started double charging you and failing to behave professionally when it came to dealing with it's customers.

Yes the Games spectators may be left out in the cold and won't have any dogs to eat, but it's still a protest AT the ballpark owners/managers, not an attack at the spectators.

Perhaps those Spectators will buy dogs at the other side of the field, perhaps they'll leave for the field you moved to. Perhaps they'll stop eating dogs. Who can tell, each to his own.


Yaroz, not blaming anyone else. It was my decision and mine alone to take down the Auth servers. What people seem to be batting around is the reasoning behind it. I took them down purely because of Turbines behavior, both in the repeated billing mistakes and in their failure to even respond to emails THEY asked for. I took them down because I'm pulling ALL support for Turbine and any product they have their fingers in. I'll no longer have any of my time or work used to enhance or further their games when they behave as they have.


People can call that childish if they like. I view it as not supporting bad business practices.

So..you say Turbine didn't react? Hmm imo if they didnt react you wouldn't have gotten neither an info-email, nor your money back.


What you expect from Turbine? Makin a trip to your house, bringing you flowers, chocolate and a extra amount of money to show you they did a mistake? Uh oh, they didnt answer your emails, whats better - getting your money back or being emailed like "uh we are sorry, but as we have to answer to every email we get, you will get your money in about 5 weeks"?


El you are/were a player like everyone else, you werent the only one misbilled and you are nothing special to turbine.

You expected them to work the way you wanted as far as i read and complained about turbine not bringing news to the game and stuff. As they brought ninjas, you whined about them even tho those were news to the game, so what you want?


Also, as many others said before, you broke your word you gave the players as you said you would leave eltank running 'till turbine or decal broke it..you broke it earlier. Think the misbilling was really something you deserved as it seems you needed another thing to finally break tank by yourself and justify it by blaming turbine..again..


But as we all are humans and nobody is perfect i thank you for eltank and wish you a good life.


Edit: By the way, i am sorry if my english is terrible but i am not a native speaker..

 

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"I took them down purely because of Turbines behavior, both in the repeated billing mistakes and in their failure to even respond to emails THEY asked for. I took them down because I'm pulling ALL support for Turbine and any product they have their fingers in".


I am sorry but this is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.


I would venture your unplugging has caused no one at Turbine any loss of sleep or recieved much more then a brief few comments about your doing so.


The only impact you have made is a lot of activity at lifetanks server with the downloads of people switching the plug and play tools.


Sorry to hit you with reality, but unplugging does nothing to the game.

Shiay, I got my money refunded by the bank because I informed them it was a disputed charge. Turbine had no authority to make the charge and the bank agreed.


If I had to wait for Turbine to rectify it I'd still be waiting. Actually I am still waiting, they havn't replied to the email they asked for.


BTW, I love how everyone is claiming I went back on my word, as if I had made some promise. I made a statement about the stability of the ELTank code. I stated that it was extremely stable and robust code. I stated that it would take a change by Turbine or a change in Decal to break it. I made no promise. It was a statement, not a guarantee. Heck it wasn't even a public statement. It was a reply to a question in a PM, which I gave my permission to be posted (at their request).

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.


Credit Card Disputes have everything to do with the Card Holder and the Issuer, and nothing to do with the Company who is using your card without authorization.

ElgarL

You posted:

...in reality that it's akin to moving your hotdog stand to another ballpark because the one you were at started double charging you and failing to behave professionally when it came to dealing with it's customers.

Yes the Games spectators may be left out in the cold and won't have any dogs to eat, but it's still a protest AT the ballpark owners/managers, not an attack at the spectators.

Perhaps those Spectators will buy dogs at the other side of the field, perhaps they'll leave for the field you moved to. Perhaps they'll stop eating dogs. Who can tell, each to his own.


I say:

You think that the spectators are going to be in protest against the ball park owners because you moved your hot dog stand? No! All the spectators know is that they dont have a hot dog to eat. They dont give a [MOD-Edit] about how much you were carged. They just want their damn hot dog and katchup.


You got it all wrong. You arnt gaining support on a fight against turbine because you are doing this in such a childish way. I say if you really want to get back at turbine, you should release a plugin with no timer on it so people can UCM again. That will screw with turbine pretty good I think. Or you should make a thirst type plugin.


[MOD-Edit] there are hundreds of other ways to go about this.

Is somebody maybe looking for attention?

 

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This whole situation seems as nasty as a bad divorce!


Elgarl, you're obviously a talented decal developer but it seems you've forgotten completely the many years of enjoyment you've received from playing this game and ignore the fact that Turbine allowed an environment in which you were able to gain some fame and some extra cash with your coding talent.


I'm not asking you to reconsider turning off the authorization link but I am asking you to have a kinder view of the company that created such an awesome game and the stand that you are now taking should not prevent you from considering future games from Turbine.