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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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Sith_Mauler
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Registered: 2002-12-21 13:40:03
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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look at it this way, do you want to pay higher taxes.
because these unwanted children that become wards of the state has to be cared for and the state is on the hook for it, using your tax dollars.
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myxomatosis8
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Registered: 2001-7-14 23:45:21
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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Sith_Mauler posted:
look at it this way, do you want to pay higher taxes.
because these unwanted children that become wards of the state has to be cared for and the state is on the hook for it, using your tax dollars.
Every fetus is precious and somehow, magically, someone will take care of them properly, they will be loved and have secure and happy childhoods. Abortion is evil.
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silvadel2
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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Anyone else think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8 (monty python every sperm is sacred)
Whether you have a kid or not, on a macro level, really makes huge differences.
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criminalize abortion. sanction sterilization.
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Arc_DT
Title: Mithan said I am smart
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Registered: 2002-5-28 08:25:51
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Anebriated posted:
Arc_DT posted:
This was mentioned in the Freakonomics movie. (At least used to be available on Netflix streaming.) I found it an interesting hypothesis at the time, but not enough to actually read the study that drew this conclusion.
it's all a bunch of crazy statistics stuff anyways. maybe i should try and teach myself statistics? 
Yes, but I minored in math and know statistics, and have a master's in library science and know how to read a study.
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Chogram
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Registered: 2001-8-23 02:52:32
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If you look hard enough you could find statistics to prove almost anything.
It's just a matter of what numbers you use, and which numbers or facts that you completely leave out.
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Arc_DT
Title: Mithan said I am smart
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Registered: 2002-5-28 08:25:51
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levgre posted:
There are plenty of children loved by their parents (well, at least their mom) that get into crime. A parent struggling with poverty is also likely to have psychological issues which affects their ability to be a parent.
Heck lots of middle class kids with responsible parents go down bad paths. Who's opinion do young adults tend to care about more, their parents or their peers?
And we are not talking about sociopaths. Most criminals acts are not committed by sociopaths, even if many of the more severe crimes are. (although I suppose some may use broad, imo inaccurate criteria for psychopathy)
We're talking about trends and inductive reasoning, not determinism and deductive reasoning. Being able to provide a few counterexamples doesn't prove squat in this case.
As for "sociopaths," the original claim was actually about VIOLENT crime... other crime didn't see the same drop. Not every sociopath is like the movies; it's varying degrees of lack of empathy. I'm not claiming as fact that not wanting a child -> sociopath (and certainly not the reverse implication), just that the hypothesis passes the sniff test.
I would find it hard to believe that VIOLENT crime is caused by poverty. Poverty is more likely to cause theft than anything else, with armed robbery as the only foreseeable crossover with violent crime.
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Arc_DT
Title: Mithan said I am smart
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Chogram posted:
If you look hard enough you could find statistics to prove almost anything.
It's just a matter of what numbers you use, and which numbers or facts that you completely leave out.
This is a typical belief of the unwashed masses, but someone trained in experimental techniques can definitely differentiate valid from invalid claims. That's not the same as the math; it's a field of knowing the different types of experiments, how strong their conclusions can be, how well the researcher applied the specific criteria for the type of experiment in the study, and how directly the conclusion was related to the actual experiment.
Experimental Psychology would be the field most associated with these skills. And no, I'm not a psychologist and I'm not an expert in this, but I've had some experimental psychology in my undergrad and specific training in evaluating studies in my MLIS so I at least know what to look for.
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Kanga_Roo
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Registered: 2002-2-26 12:58:17
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Chogram
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Arc_DT posted:
Chogram posted:
If you look hard enough you could find statistics to prove almost anything.
It's just a matter of what numbers you use, and which numbers or facts that you completely leave out.
This is a typical belief of the unwashed masses, but someone trained in experimental techniques can definitely differentiate valid from invalid claims. That's not the same as the math; it's a field of knowing the different types of experiments, how strong their conclusions can be, how well the researcher applied the specific criteria for the type of experiment in the study, and how directly the conclusion was related to the actual experiment.
Experimental Psychology would be the field most associated with these skills. And no, I'm not a psychologist and I'm not an expert in this, but I've had some experimental psychology in my undergrad and specific training in evaluating studies in my MLIS so I at least know what to look for.
The Atari 2600 was released in 1977, crime has gone down since.
Video games reduce crime 
That's what this article did with abortion.
I didn't say anything about it being a good study. I just said that with the right information, and omitting other information, you can say anything that you want and have statistics to back it up.
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