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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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Arc_DT
Title: Mithan said I am smart
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Registered: 2002-5-28 08:25:51
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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This was mentioned in the Freakonomics movie. (At least used to be available on Netflix streaming.) I found it an interesting hypothesis at the time, but not enough to actually read the study that drew this conclusion.
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Arc_DT
Title: Mithan said I am smart
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Registered: 2002-5-28 08:25:51
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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levgre posted:
Anebriated posted:
I guess the argument is unwanted kids are more likely to be criminals. a very conservative argument if you think about it. more evidence to support the importance of a good family.
I don't know if that is the correct focus. Even if the children are cared for and loved, an unwanted pregnancy is likely to exasperate an already dismal financial situation. They also often occur in neighborhoods with already overburdened services (which compounds the issue of family poverty, a strong and safe community otoh would help offset the family's hardships).
I disagree. I think being unwanted is the bigger factor. Socioeconomics would merely determine white collar versus blue collar sociopath in this case.
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Title: VNBoard Admin
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Registered: 2000-3-1 11:53:15
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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Anebriated posted:
Abstract:
"We offer evidence that legalized abortion has contributed significantly to recent crime reductions. Crime began to fall roughly 18 years after abortion legalization. The 5 states that allowed abortion in 1970 experienced declines earlier than the rest of the nation, which legalized in 1973 with Roe v. Wade. States with high abortion rates in the 1970s and 1980s experienced greater crime reductions in the 1990s. In high abortion states, only arrests of those born after abortion legalization fall relative to low abortion states. Legalized abortion appears to account for as much as 50 percent of the recent drop in crime."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Impact_of_Legalized_Abortion_on_Crime [/l ink]
I guess the argument is unwanted kids are more likely to be criminals. a very conservative argument if you think about it. more evidence to support the importance of a good family.
I buy it because it makes sense.
We know the problems that can happen with unwanted pregnancies, how it can cause or prolong poverty, the child be neglected, etc, etc.
This doesn't mean that every "unwanted" child becomes a criminal obviously and the stupid people on the planet will no doubt try to spin it that way, but it is a FACT that unwanted pregnancies are a major cause of poverty and most criminals come from impoverished communities.
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combat_mage_sc
Title: Hi. My name is Combat and i'm an alcoholic.
Posts: 1,061
Registered: 2001-7-20 21:19:21
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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Very true. It's mostly inner city scum that get abortions anyway.
Less Ubama supporters. 
God bless Margaret Sanger!
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Dark_EternalFF
Title: Official ACF Turd
Posts: 1,838
Registered: 2002-11-8 22:44:06
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combat_mage_sc posted:
Very true. It's mostly inner city scum that get abortions anyway.
Less Ubama supporters.
God bless Margaret Sanger!
You posted almost exactly what I expected you to 
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Anebriated
Title: I should be reading a book
Posts: 650
Registered: 2003-1-27 21:26:11
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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Arc_DT posted:
This was mentioned in the Freakonomics movie. (At least used to be available on Netflix streaming.) I found it an interesting hypothesis at the time, but not enough to actually read the study that drew this conclusion.
it's all a bunch of crazy statistics stuff anyways. maybe i should try and teach myself statistics? 
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Ah-Schoo
Title: Fuzzy Caterpillar of Friendliness
Posts: 3,034
Registered: 2000-8-11 09:05:29
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Date Posted:
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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Dark_EternalFF posted:
cumbot_mage_sc posted:
Very true. It's mostly inner city scum that get abortions anyway.
Less Ubama supporters.
God bless Margaret Sanger!
You posted almost exactly what I expected you to
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levgre
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Registered: 2001-10-24 07:24:49
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Legalizing Abortion Reduces Crime?
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Arc_DT posted:
levgre posted:
Anebriated posted:
I guess the argument is unwanted kids are more likely to be criminals. a very conservative argument if you think about it. more evidence to support the importance of a good family.
I don't know if that is the correct focus. Even if the children are cared for and loved, an unwanted pregnancy is likely to exasperate an already dismal financial situation. They also often occur in neighborhoods with already overburdened services (which compounds the issue of family poverty, a strong and safe community otoh would help offset the family's hardships).
I disagree. I think being unwanted is the bigger factor. Socioeconomics would merely determine white collar versus blue collar sociopath in this case.
There are plenty of children loved by their parents (well, at least their mom) that get into crime. A parent struggling with poverty is also likely to have psychological issues which affects their ability to be a parent.
Heck lots of middle class kids with responsible parents go down bad paths. Who's opinion do young adults tend to care about more, their parents or their peers?
And we are not talking about sociopaths. Most criminals acts are not committed by sociopaths, even if many of the more severe crimes are. (although I suppose some may use broad, imo inaccurate criteria for psychopathy)
I never said that parenting wasn't overall the bigger factor in determining whether a child becomes a criminal. But in the case of abortion, they are most often born into the socioeconomic situation that turns many people to crime regardless of loving vs absent parent(s).
I also think very few middle class kids who are "truly" unwanted would become criminals. It certainly would be higher, mostly those were outright abused. But the example set by the world around them would generally deter them from becoming a criminal.
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Anebriated
Title: I should be reading a book
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what if, instead of unwantedness, it's really about who's getting abortions and who isn't.
so who is most likely to accidentally get pregnant? a person likely to be a good parent or a person likely to be a not so good parent?
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Jezza_Belle
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Registered: 2001-2-24 02:29:30
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Anebriated posted:
what if, instead of unwantedness, it's really about who's getting abortions and who isn't.
so who is most likely to accidentally get pregnant? a person likely to be a good parent or a person likely to be a not so good parent?
more importantly, who can afford an abortion, and who can't. Welfare no longer pays for them.
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