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JD_HOGG  Posts: 2,846
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NonOffensiveName posted:
blockquote] right...and if it was a girl throwing himself at the straight kid Im sure he would've shot her in the back of the head too right?  get real, you cant separate the two
If she was a disgusting fat ugly blob that he was not interested in but she kept pursuing him and resulted in ridicule from his peers, perhaps he would've shot her. That isn't what happened though, so it is useless speculation.
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combat_mage_sc Title: Hi. My name is Combat and i'm an alcoholic.
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wasn't the kid 13yo when he defended himself from homosexual advances?
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My favorite part of the article is
"After the trial, Larry's mother, Dawn King, said she had gone to administrators to ask them to stop what she believed was her son's inclination to act out for attention — even if it was negative attention. But she was turned back, the mother said.
"I knew, gut instinct, that something serious was going to happen," she said. "They should have contained him, contained his behavior."
Um hello, your the parent not the schools, get off your rump if you think your sons behavior is going to cause him trouble!
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Rhodoman Posts: 1,397
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21 year sentence seems like more than enough for this case.
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NonOffensiveName  Title: Touching people in special places all day long
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vn_anon63xxx posted:
What you are missing is that the gay kid was basically bullying the straight kid. That may SOUND strange, but I could see that in an extreme case where the school fails to protect the straight kid from unwanted advances that this sort of unfortunate act is somewhat justifiable. Imagine if if was a straight guy doing that to a girl and the school protects THE GUY instead of the girl being bullied? What if you had the boy's father and sister ENCOURAGING the straight guy to torment the girl? At some point the person being bullied is going protect themselves. The funny part is that the GLBT community somehow managed to get CA to pass a law to protect gays from bullying. It was the GAY KID who was bullying the straight kid, not the other way around. I've listened to interviews with both the father and the sister of the dead kid. WOW, are they out to lunch. They ENCOURAGED the gay kid to pull this crap on straight boys. Now, they act as if it was the gay kid who was bullied. The parents of the gay kid and the school are the ones I blame in this. With the new law you basically give gay kids the right to bully straight kids and it will be the straight kids who get punished.
Ugh bullying is just another hot topic word people like to throw around now. Everyone is jumping on that band wagon now and the real kids(usually the ones who are gay but dont want to come out yet) who are suffering from bullying get lost in the crowd yet again. Plus if he was really being bullied you hit punch kick or otherwise ignore a bully until he goes away. You dont take a 22 caliber gun to school and shoot them twice in the head. Even if the straight kid was being bullied, he wasnt being harmed in any way physically so that doesnt justify using deadly force. Not that a gay student bullying a straight student is anymore right than the reverse. The least he could've done was take a page from the gay bullying handbook and off himself instead of offing the person who was bullying him.
I just cant see unwanted sexual advances justify killing someone no matter how bad it is. What he did was cold blooded murder and he should've fried for it plain and simple. I do agree though all the adults failed horribly in the straight kid and the gay kid's life and they do share a great deal of the blame in all of this. Ultimately though the decision to pull a gun on someone and shoot them to death was the straight kid's decision. He should've had to take responsibility for that action but the adults in his life are now in a way trying to make up for the failure of the other adults in his life.
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lady_selene posted:
My favorite part of the article is
"After the trial, Larry's mother, Dawn King, said she had gone to administrators to ask them to stop what she believed was her son's inclination to act out for attention — even if it was negative attention. But she was turned back, the mother said.
"I knew, gut instinct, that something serious was going to happen," she said. "They should have contained him, contained his behavior."
Um hello, your the parent not the schools, get off your rump if you think your sons behavior is going to cause him trouble!
no matter how strict a parent is at home, once the child is out the door in the morning they have no more control over the situation than trying to get the school to go along with their wishes. It's really not that different than the devout religious household that stops a girl from dressing too sexy for school, but if she wants to do it, she'll just buy the clothes, or borrow them from friends, and change her outfit when she gets to school.
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FineYoungCannibals Title: Top of the food chain
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fking bullies
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wow, someone has his panties in a bunch
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Gaevren Title: Wat do?
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NonOffensiveName posted:
vn_anon63xxx posted:
What you are missing is that the gay kid was basically bullying the straight kid. That may SOUND strange, but I could see that in an extreme case where the school fails to protect the straight kid from unwanted advances that this sort of unfortunate act is somewhat justifiable. Imagine if if was a straight guy doing that to a girl and the school protects THE GUY instead of the girl being bullied? What if you had the boy's father and sister ENCOURAGING the straight guy to torment the girl? At some point the person being bullied is going protect themselves. The funny part is that the GLBT community somehow managed to get CA to pass a law to protect gays from bullying. It was the GAY KID who was bullying the straight kid, not the other way around. I've listened to interviews with both the father and the sister of the dead kid. WOW, are they out to lunch. They ENCOURAGED the gay kid to pull this crap on straight boys. Now, they act as if it was the gay kid who was bullied. The parents of the gay kid and the school are the ones I blame in this. With the new law you basically give gay kids the right to bully straight kids and it will be the straight kids who get punished.
Ugh bullying is just another hot topic word people like to throw around now. Everyone is jumping on that band wagon now and the real kids(usually the ones who are gay but dont want to come out yet) who are suffering from bullying get lost in the crowd yet again. Plus if he was really being bullied you hit punch kick or otherwise ignore a bully until he goes away. You dont take a 22 caliber gun to school and shoot them twice in the head. Even if the straight kid was being bullied, he wasnt being harmed in any way physically so that doesnt justify using deadly force. Not that a gay student bullying a straight student is anymore right than the reverse. The least he could've done was take a page from the gay bullying handbook and off himself instead of offing the person who was bullying him.
I just cant see unwanted sexual advances justify killing someone no matter how bad it is. What he did was cold blooded murder and he should've fried for it plain and simple. I do agree though all the adults failed horribly in the straight kid and the gay kid's life and they do share a great deal of the blame in all of this. Ultimately though the decision to pull a gun on someone and shoot them to death was the straight kid's decision. He should've had to take responsibility for that action but the adults in his life are now in a way trying to make up for the failure of the other adults in his life.
No one disagrees with you. Of course he shouldn't have shot the other kid. Of course nothing excuses that. NO ONE IS DEBATING THIS.
The only thing we're disagreeing on is whether it's a "hate" crime or an effing stupid response to harassment.
In all the news stories of bullying/harassment, what's the outcome usually? It's not the victim punching the harasser. When it gets bad enough and they feel they don't have any support from the adults/administration, they generally take 1 of 2 actions. They either commit suicide, or they get deadly. Either way something snaps in them. Again- it does NOT excuse the actions but it's a far cry from a hate crime.
Now, if the gay kid had just been sauntering around, cross dressing but otherwise minding his own business, then yes you'd have a pretty good case for a hate crime. But in this case? No.
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Banelord_FF  Title: Cunstrukshen Werker
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NonOffensiveName posted:
vn_anon63xxx posted:
What you are missing is that the gay kid was basically bullying the straight kid. That may SOUND strange, but I could see that in an extreme case where the school fails to protect the straight kid from unwanted advances that this sort of unfortunate act is somewhat justifiable. Imagine if if was a straight guy doing that to a girl and the school protects THE GUY instead of the girl being bullied? What if you had the boy's father and sister ENCOURAGING the straight guy to torment the girl? At some point the person being bullied is going protect themselves. The funny part is that the GLBT community somehow managed to get CA to pass a law to protect gays from bullying. It was the GAY KID who was bullying the straight kid, not the other way around. I've listened to interviews with both the father and the sister of the dead kid. WOW, are they out to lunch. They ENCOURAGED the gay kid to pull this crap on straight boys. Now, they act as if it was the gay kid who was bullied. The parents of the gay kid and the school are the ones I blame in this. With the new law you basically give gay kids the right to bully straight kids and it will be the straight kids who get punished.
Ugh bullying is just another hot topic word people like to throw around now. Everyone is jumping on that band wagon now and the real kids(usually the ones who are gay but dont want to come out yet) who are suffering from bullying get lost in the crowd yet again. Plus if he was really being bullied you hit punch kick or otherwise ignore a bully until he goes away. You dont take a 22 caliber gun to school and shoot them twice in the head. Even if the straight kid was being bullied, he wasnt being harmed in any way physically so that doesnt justify using deadly force. Not that a gay student bullying a straight student is anymore right than the reverse. The least he could've done was take a page from the gay bullying handbook and off himself instead of offing the person who was bullying him.
I just cant see unwanted sexual advances justify killing someone no matter how bad it is. What he did was cold blooded murder and he should've fried for it plain and simple. I do agree though all the adults failed horribly in the straight kid and the gay kid's life and they do share a great deal of the blame in all of this. Ultimately though the decision to pull a gun on someone and shoot them to death was the straight kid's decision. He should've had to take responsibility for that action but the adults in his life are now in a way trying to make up for the failure of the other adults in his life.
It is obvious you cannot look at this situation objectively, trying to have a rational discussion with you is pointless.
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