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Jyiiga  Title: The MMO Snob
Posts: 374
Registered: 2001-3-15 22:36:09
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
Put your mutt on a leash or we will kill it.
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Gildash  Posts: 515
Registered: 2001-4-26 16:26:13
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
Caledric posted:
Dear god, please stop calling him a cop or an officer. PARK RANGERS ARE NOT POLICE.
A better example would be to ignore the citation of a hall monitor in an elementary school, or the bouncer at a club. Yeah they can ask you to leave. But they cannot actually enforce it unless they are threatened with harm, and all they can do then is DEFEND themselves, if they can escape the situation, they have to.
The way the Ranger should have handled things was to let the person and his dogs walk away and then pull his nifty radio off his belt and call back to the station with a description of the individual, location where the incident occurred, and what occurred. The station would then call the local police who would send a REAL officer out to handle things.
http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=1015
Rangers posted:
TYPICAL TASKS
Positions in the State Park Ranger series perform professional and technical duties in State park units involving operation, interpretation, resource protection/management, patrol, safety and law enforcement, assist with program management activities, and may supervise and/or serve as a lead to seasonal and lower level permanent staff. Incumbents may also perform staff functions of comparable difficulty and responsibility in an academy training assignment.
Incumbents are trained and designated as sworn State park peace officers whose authority extends statewide (on or off duty). They perform patrol duties primarily by vehicle, boat, and foot patrol; issue citations; write reports; make physical arrests for misdemeanors, felonies, and warrants; conduct criminal and administrative investigations; take command in emergencies; perform search and rescue activities, including detecting and rescuing persons or vessels in distress; assist in wildland and structural fire suppression; provide emergency medical aid; may also perform traffic control and radio dispatching.
Incumbents may perform specialized assignments in cliff rescue; ski patrol; scuba diving; ocean, surf, river, and lake rescue; horse patrol; off-road vehicle and motorcycle patrol; or canine team handler.
Incumbents are required to use protective equipment which includes various types of firearms, batons, chemical agents, and handcuffs,and are regularly trained and tested in physical defensive tactics and firearms use.
Sounds like a cop to me.
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BritonGuy  Title: Serious Business
Posts: 1,567
Registered: 2004-3-4 20:43:50
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
Gildash posted:
BritonGuy posted:
Gildash posted:
The ranger tried to give him a ticket, but Hesterberg allegedly gave her a false name and refused to stop. John Bartlett was there, and saw Hesterberg collapse onto the ground.
Stopped reading after that.
Idiot wants to disrespect a uniform doing his job as he is supposed to be doing it? Fine. Take your ticket. Idiot wants to refuse to cooperate? Fine. Get tazed.
Tazers are specifically designed to be used as less than lethal force. It was either that or tackle the guy and break some bones.
False dilemma logical fallacy spotted. Your argument is invalid.
There is no reason a ranger should be ticketing or using force on a peaceful citizen in the first place. It was the uniform showing disrespect for the job and the citizen. Fire them.
You sir, are a F***ing troll and a fool.
Good day.
You are in fact using a false dilemma as the basis for your outrageous argument, in an attempt to defend excessive force.
I figured you'd have nothing more to say after I pointed that out. "Harm the passive citizen, or harm the passive citizen" isn't much of an argument you can defend, is it.
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aon_mixed Title:
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Posts: 2,317
Registered: 2002-8-19 07:30:30
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
shoulda tazed the dog
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Gildash Posts: 515
Registered: 2001-4-26 16:26:13
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
BritonGuy posted:
You are in fact using a false dilemma as the basis for your outrageous argument, in an attempt to defend excessive force.
I figured you'd have nothing more to say after I pointed that out. "Harm the passive citizen, or harm the passive citizen" isn't much of an argument you can defend, is it.
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tantallous  Title: Thought Police
Posts: 192
Registered: 2002-1-11 23:14:32
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
speaking of false dilemmas.. there is no passive citizen in this story. there was a dumbass that decided to ignore the regulations and then be disrespectful to the person that is enforcing the regulations. you don't know what else the person did, and neither did we. so your claim is at least as ignorant as any others in the thread.
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BritonGuy Title: Serious Business
Posts: 1,567
Registered: 2004-3-4 20:43:50
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
Subject:
Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
Gildash posted:
Rangers posted:
TYPICAL TASKS
Incumbents are trained and designated as sworn State park peace officers whose authority extends statewide (on or off duty). They perform patrol duties primarily by vehicle, boat, and foot patrol; issue citations; write reports; make physical arrests for misdemeanors, felonies, and warrants; conduct criminal and administrative investigations; take command in emergencies; perform search and rescue activities, including detecting and rescuing persons or vessels in distress; assist in wildland and structural fire suppression; provide emergency medical aid; may also perform traffic control and radio dispatching.
Incumbents may perform specialized assignments in cliff rescue; ski patrol; scuba diving; ocean, surf, river, and lake rescue; horse patrol; off-road vehicle and motorcycle patrol; or canine team handler.
Incumbents are required to use protective equipment which includes various types of firearms, batons, chemical agents, and handcuffs,and are regularly trained and tested in physical defensive tactics and firearms use.
Sounds like a cop to me.
Fixing your tunnel vision for you. You're welcome.
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Gildash Posts: 515
Registered: 2001-4-26 16:26:13
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
Subject:
Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
Caledric posted:
Achim_LC posted:
Refusing to stop and giving false information to police. If a Peace Officer tells you to stop. Stop. Giving False information is a misdemeanor. The guy was all kinds of stupid and the Officer had every right to use force to gain compliance with a lawful order.
Except a Ranger is not a Peace Officer.
http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=1015
Rangers posted:
Incumbents are trained and designated as sworn State park peace officers whose authority extends statewide (on or off duty).
Well. Ok then.
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BritonGuy Title: Serious Business
Posts: 1,567
Registered: 2004-3-4 20:43:50
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
Subject:
Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
Gildash posted:
BritonGuy posted:
You are in fact using a false dilemma as the basis for your outrageous argument, in an attempt to defend excessive force.
I figured you'd have nothing more to say after I pointed that out. "Harm the passive citizen, or harm the passive citizen" isn't much of an argument you can defend, is it.
Actually you continued to use an illogical defense of excessive force, and excessive force is never a good day.
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Hawkson is the greatest. -Hawkson
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Do you expect me to remember what I put in my mouth? -NSMachi
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Gildash Posts: 515
Registered: 2001-4-26 16:26:13
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Dogs are to be leashed or prepare to be stunned! |
BritonGuy posted:
Fixing your tunnel vision for you. You're welcome.
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