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Author Topic: What do you think 2012 AD would be like if no government had ever been created? [Locked]
Reapist  4 stars
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levrge can't address my theory.

 

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levgre  3 stars
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Registered: 2001-10-24 07:24:49
By lay down I thought you meant like a government often to do. Conscious deliberation/application of orders based on a bit more than our basic instincts.

If by 'lay down' you just mean the execution of instinctive orders, then really I guess insects and all other social creatures have governments. You are free to define government as such, but I will disagree, as would history and most experts(in biology, history, sociology, so forth).

Social behavior is complex, especially when you have groups of people involved. Words like 'government' are created to define conditions of it. It's a scale with grey areas, but that grey area only goes so far.


Reapist posted:

levrge can't address my theory.



Your theory is dumb. A single interpersonal relationship is not at all a situation that generates a government.

 

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NeoKarnak  2 stars
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I think your definition of government is the formation of institutions to control certain groups and/or regions. If so, that is just an advanced form of government.


Without even a simplistic governmental structure, human beings would be walking Beta fish and would just fight other males to the death and mate with any female they came across. We would have become extinct without the group and every group needs guidelines that ensure survival.

 

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levgre  3 stars
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NeoKarnak posted:

I think your definition of government is the formation of institutions to control certain groups and/or regions. If so, that is just an advanced form of government.


Without even a simplistic governmental structure, human beings would be walking Beta fish and would just fight other males to the death and mate with any female they came across. We would have become extinct without the group and every group needs guidelines that ensure survival.



No, as I wrote above some small tribes/communities also form governments. No necessity for group/region control, at the simplest level it is more focused on complex resource planning and allocation. It basically has to do with next-level organization, more complex and diverse orders than the basic instinct driven ones you see in humans and animals alike.

Instinctual homo-sapien mating behavior is not at all like Bettas. We would be akin to the great apes, with Alpha Males who get what women they want and subordinate males being submissive. I separate our culturally evolved social organization from our evolutionary social behavior.

 

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Maleraka  2 stars
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We'd all still be in smaller groups fighting for survival with neighboring areas. Way less advanced, low tech.

Overall, it's a dumb question. We banded together for strength and safety and a governing body or leader is a natural progression. The stronger a group gets, the more government it requires. And also the harder it is to govern.

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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It would be like Lord of the Flies.

Or if the area was mostly controlled by stupid people it would be like Gilligan's Island.

 

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Sith_Mauler  4 stars
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Some humans are born with a dominate alpha trait, this is where your great leaders and conquerors have came from through out history for example.

Leadership is trait that in its greatest and most effective form is a born with attribute.

You can train a good leader or manager but they will always lack something that a natural born leader has.

 

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Reapist  4 stars
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LOL, levgre asks a question and if you don't agree with what he has stuck in his head you are wrong no matter how much sense it makes.

 

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rabbitslayer  3 stars
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Registered: 2001-8-26 17:08:06
humans would have never evolved and the planet would be inhabited by plants and animals only
JD_HOGG  4 stars
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We would be a bunch of loners, probably canibals. But at least we wouldn't have global warming!

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