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levgre  3 stars
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I think the world would be split up into small territories, controlled by warlords or smaller gangs. There would be a few peaceful areas, like colder climates where the people are more focused on survival.

Although eventually some warlords would develop guns and maybe even tanks (probably 3000 AD or later), they'd fortunately never gain nuclear weaponry.

 

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ikkoikki  4 stars
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Yeah, people would be much more physically fit and ruthless by nature imo. There's no way there'd be this many soft, overweight people walking about.

 

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-Abysmal-  4 stars
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a small territory controlled by a warlord...wait a second...what would that be?
sounds like a Dictator to me...OR otherwise known as a form of GOVERNMENT!

 

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-Abysmal- posted:

a small territory controlled by a warlord...wait a second...what would that be?
sounds like a Dictator to me...OR otherwise known as a form of GOVERNMENT!




think rural areas of Spain during the Spanish Civil War

 

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levgre  3 stars
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a small territory controlled by a warlord...wait a second...what would that be?
sounds like a Dictator to me...OR otherwise known as a form of GOVERNMENT!




Nah the way I'm thinking of warlord is basically a larger gang, like in between actual organized crime (mafia) and a street gang. How warlords exist/ed in Afghanistan and Africa. They steal and rape, but do not organize the population or care how people run their lives (as long as they don't fight back).

Governments are by definition typically larger and more complex.

 

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ikkoikki  4 stars
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Any warlord would have some sort of power structure though. I don't see much difference between a warlord and a mafia don.

The mafia is full of complex rules but they're rules that mafia members themselves rarely seem to follow...

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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ikkoikki posted:

The mafia is full of complex rules but they're rules that mafia members themselves rarely seem to follow...

That sounds familiar
levgre  3 stars
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ikkoikki posted:

Any warlord would have some sort of power structure though. I don't see much difference between a warlord and a mafia don.

The mafia is full of complex rules but they're rules that mafia members themselves rarely seem to follow...



A power structure doesn't = government, though. Even packs of dogs have power structures, and apes have large tribal wars. Governments are uniquely human and have a more complex level of organization/coordination.

Mafias get close to governments in some respects. Except their focus is too specific on the accumulation of wealth, by leeching off the wealth first created by society.

Of course BT calls the US government a mafia, but the mafias' activities are only comparable to like a couple departments when the US gov has over 300 departments.

 

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ikkoikki  4 stars
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I always think any sort of organization that creates a societal order can be considered a government. There will be order under any sort of warlord, gang, drug cartel, mob, mafia...etc. It may not be rule of law and order in the sense we consider to be good and just, but it is still order. If you join the group or at the very least don't stand in its way, you will live and may even prosper. That's societal order.

 

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levgre  3 stars
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Well you are free to have your own definition, and there is 'some' grey area, I'm just going by the general definitions/categorization.

In academics etc., governments are separate from war bands, gangs, and organized crime. The question is what the world would be like if humans never coordinated past that level. No countries, no federations, no city-states, so on.

 

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