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the_great_ontex  3 stars
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So grouping together an entire nation of people, generalizing them into a stereotype and demeaning them is not racist.

Right.

Well a better term would be prejudice, but either way his statement is retarded
Bat_Avenger  1 star
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the term "racist" has been marginalized so much over the past three years, it has actually lost a lot of power.

 

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Rhodoman  4 stars
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the_great_ontex posted:

So grouping together an entire nation of people, generalizing them into a stereotype and demeaning them is not racist.

Right.

Well a better term would be prejudice, but either way his statement is retarded

I didn't realize that the hat in your icon was made of straw.

Rho

 

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the_great_ontex  3 stars
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I am not convinced you even fully understand what a straw man argument even is, considering your other posts in this thread General
Ah-Schoo  4 stars
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Aerlinthian posted:

You would not need to "force change" on them if you weren't ***king with them every chance you got... Instead of being their unwanted malevolent benefactors we should have been instead friendly investors in pursuit of their earth resources.

Please ignore the fact that I was all for these wars when an (R) was in power.



No, it's too funny to ignore.

 

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Rhodoman  4 stars
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the_great_ontex posted:



I am not convinced you even fully understand what a straw man argument even is, considering your other posts in this thread General

You must learn to live with disappointment.

Rho

 

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the_great_ontex  3 stars
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Rhodoman posted:

the_great_ontex posted:



I am not convinced you even fully understand what a straw man argument even is, considering your other posts in this thread General

You must learn to live with disappointment.

Rho



GrimTempest  3 stars
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We can't just leave them as they are because they believe infidels need to die, they have no tolerance for people not of their religion. Their religion has indoctrinated them to this belief. We're not talking about muslims here in the west who have adapted to a more tolerant mindset, we're talking about poor people who have nothing but their religion. They will always hate us simply because we have more power to shape this world than they do. Our way of life itself is an offense to their sensibilities and their god gives them permission to take and do what they want because they are the chosen people in their minds.

So yes, we do need to either change them or isolate them, the only other alternative is wipe them out. We have the right to do either because we're defending ourselves and our way of life just as they are. The strong win, the weak fade into history and thats the way of the world. If anyone seriously thinks that simply withdrawing from the region and ignoring them will prompt them to do the same to us you have a very weak grasp on reality. They live by religious law and kill their women for showing too much skin or meeting the gaze of men because it invokes lust in the men...they blame the women for this and kill them or beat/whip/stone them. They aren't free to believe in what gods they want, their religious government kills people who stray from their religion. This is the people you want to defend or claim should not be changed? Their way of life and belief system is a threat to anyone that comes into contact with it.

 

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the_great_ontex  3 stars
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I vote isolation. Their stupid teachings that *some* of them practice is not of our concern and shouldn't be. We're not the world's police force and we shouldn't be acting like it. Our involvement into that region won't change how they think about "infidels," in fact our relations with Muslims in general have gotten MUCH worse. They didn't attack us on 9/11 because they hated our way of life, they attacked us because we've been interfering with their way of life since the 80s and continue to

Not all Muslims want to chop the heads off of infidels and stone their wives in the street, I would actually say that part of Islam is a very small part that other Islamist don't agree with either. We have Christian groups that we obviously don't want to represent Christians as a whole also
Allmightybob_MLF  2 stars
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GrimTempest posted:

They will always hate us simply because we have more power to shape this world than they do. Our way of life itself is an offense to their sensibilities and their god gives them permission to take and do what they want because they are the chosen people in their minds.



Really I would have figured it was because you invaded their territory, bombed their homes, and shot up their children. But no, it's the abstract concept of freedom which you embody that they hate. That makes much more sense.


GrimTempest posted:

So yes, we do need to either change them or isolate them, the only other alternative is wipe them out.



Wait, now you're advocating wiping them because you don't like their way life? Whhhaaaa...


GrimTempest posted:

We have the right to do either because we're defending ourselves and our way of life just as they are.



Oh you're defending yourselves now, okay.


GrimTempest posted:

The strong win, the weak fade into history and thats the way of the world.



Great attitude.


GrimTempest posted:

If anyone seriously thinks that simply withdrawing from the region and ignoring them will prompt them to do the same to us you have a very weak grasp on reality.



Seems to work for everyone else. I mean, when was the last time Syria really took out it out on Ecuador?


GrimTempest posted:

They live by religious law and kill their women for showing too much skin or meeting the gaze of men because it invokes lust in the men...they blame the women for this and kill them or beat/whip/stone them. They aren't free to believe in what gods they want, their religious government kills people who stray from their religion. This is the people you want to defend or claim should not be changed? Their way of life and belief system is a threat to anyone that comes into contact with it.



Americans have murdered more people in the last hundred years than Afghanistan could ever even dream of killing in that time.

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