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BritonGuy  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-4 20:43:50
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:01am Subject: Newt: "We're not prepaired to be ruthless enough to force them (Afghans) to change"
GrimTempest posted:
BritonGuy posted:
GrimTempest posted:
its quite clear that we've learned nothing from the history of the roman empire other than how to emulate its spectacular fall so well. we need a good zombie apocalypse at this point.



The only thing that's clear in this thread is that you haven't learned from history. I think you're throwing out replies and comments without even knowing the history behind what you're talking about.



careful you might hurt my feelings



I meant it. I don't think you understand the logistics involved in occupying Afghanistan and "finishing" a war against a bunch of random tribes who have been fighting various invaders as well as each other for a very long time. Is there any point to staying there?

 

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GrimTempest  3 stars
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Registered: 2001-12-21 01:36:49
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:01am Subject: Newt: "We're not prepaired to be ruthless enough to force them (Afghans) to change"
*blinks*

well...at least you've proved your not really reading my posts...

oh well. kinda getting bored of this one anyway.

 

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BritonGuy  4 stars
Title: Serious Business
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Registered: 2004-3-4 20:43:50
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:01am Subject: Newt: "We're not prepaired to be ruthless enough to force them (Afghans) to change"
I take it you concede.

Never start a debate unless you plan to finish it.

 

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-Mithan-  4 stars
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Registered: 2000-3-1 11:53:15
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:01am Subject: Newt: "We're not prepaired to be ruthless enough to force them (Afghans) to change"
GrimTempest posted:
just to point this out...but i never claimed that i thought changing them was the best solution. i just agreed with newts comment that we aren't ruthless enough to do it. which to me means we shouldn't be as invested there as we are, its a political game and nothing more at the state its in now. if they're going to change they have to do it themselves as their culture changes and that takes decades if not centuries. religion has alot of inertia where change is concerned.

we should be doing everything we can to keep them isolated and change them through less warlike means. war only baits them into crazier actions.



I think the word ruthless should be replaced with stupid.

 

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levgre  3 stars
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Registered: 2001-10-24 07:24:49
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:01am Subject: Newt: "We're not prepaired to be ruthless enough to force them (Afghans) to change"
The majority Afghans wanted someone to take out the Taliban. After it took control of Afghanistan, it treated the people horribly, especially women. It imposed strict religious laws, enforcing traditions that many Afghans didn't even follow.

Most Afghans have not been fighting back against the Americans. This is not like Russia's occupation.

We still aren't skilled at nation building, though. There is a lot more we could've done with a bit more creativity.

Ruthlessness is not, and never was the solution to making Afghans change. That is complete, utter idiocy.

 

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Tipztoe  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-1 17:53:43
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:01am Subject: Newt: "We're not prepaired to be ruthless enough to force them (Afghans) to change"
Sith_Mauler posted:
The afghans are descendants of every invading army that has marched through that part of asia since the beginning of time.

These people are born and breed to fight.



how is hiding in caves and using women and children as shields fighting?
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