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You would not need to "force change" on them if you weren't ***king with them every chance you got... Instead of being their unwanted malevolent benefactors we should have been instead friendly investors in pursuit of their earth resources.
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Kanga_Roo  Posts: 439
Registered: 2002-2-26 12:58:17
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Right in what sense? Right in the idea that being ruthless in your enforcement of freedom will ever work? He is an idiot for thinking we can or should attempt to force democratic ideals on another culture.
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Kanga_Roo Posts: 439
Registered: 2002-2-26 12:58:17
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Rhodoman posted:
I think we should just park a carrier group off their coast and patrol the entire country with drones.
If we see poppies being cultivated -- boom.
If we see terrorist training camps -- boom.
Until they behave.
Rho
Now the circle is complete. The cheerleader for the wars in the middle east has turned Monday Morning Quarterback.
Do you see now why we were so uneasy about Bush's grand plan to invade and democratize middle eastern countries?
How much money, lives, pain, and political capital did it take for you to see the obvious?
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Rhodoman  Posts: 1,397
Registered: 2001-6-14 21:02:19
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This conclusion is for Afghanistan only. Nothing to do with overgeneralized "the wars in the middle east".
Back when we first went into Afghanistan, there were people and groups to chase and kill. That has become, now, almost impossible.
The invasion of Iraq is a completely different situation, requiring different actions.
Rho
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Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate
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Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
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It's not that we aren't prepared to be ruthless enough to force them to change.
It's that no amount of ruthless actions will ever create a situation where they love us, or even stop trying to kill us. Why would ruthless action ever do that?
They hate us for various reasons, but the most obvious and pervasive one of course is the fact that we are occupying their god damn country and in the fighting with extremists there....a lot of them are getting killed.
Go figure that they aren't our biggest fans.
No one in their right minds (this excludes every idiot who supported the war as a way to create "freedom" in the middle east (AKA "conservatives"  ever thought that by invading Afghanistan we could create a peaceful happy place full of capitalists who would love the USA. We attacked them because they supported people who attacked us.
Go in, blow the hell out of the bastards that attacked us, make sure everyone in the country knows we will be back to kick their asses again if they even think about letting that happen in the future. Go the feck home.
Any other "plans" for Afghanistan are rooted in stupid ideological mysticism that has no basis in reality or any chance in hell of ever happening. |
Rhodoman Posts: 1,397
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Ptilk posted:
Any other "plans" for Afghanistan are rooted in stupid ideological mysticism that has no basis in reality or any chance in hell of ever happening.
This much, we can agree on.
Rho
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War: Big Government's Best Friend
By the way, at about 14 minutes in he gets into a very important point about the psychology that ropes people in to irrationally supporting what would normally considered atrocities.
And what worked so well on many so called conservatives under Bush worked equally well upon the so called liberals under Obama.
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-Mithan- Title: VNBoard Admin
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Registered: 2000-3-1 11:53:15
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You have no business trying to "change" them anyways.
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the_great_ontex  Title: This is what cool looks like
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Registered: 2012-2-13 18:38:12
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That's actually a pretty racist statement....
lol at other people actually calling him intelligent from it
Maybe I can become a President candidate like him now
"We're not prepaired to be ruthless enough to force them (Mexicans) to change"
"We're not prepaired to be ruthless enough to force them (Africans) to change"
I am looking very Presidential and intelligent now
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Rhodoman Posts: 1,397
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the_great_ontex posted:
That's actually a pretty racist statement....
Wow. No.
Rho
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