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Ptilk  4 stars
Title: Creepy old pirate
Posts: 2,359
Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
Now.

It wasn't then. I'm sure I'll buy the box set eventually simply because I like to look at the boxes on the shelf.
Jezza_Belle  4 stars
Title: =^.^=
Posts: 2,771
Registered: 2001-2-24 02:29:30
FineYoungCannibals posted:

Ptilk posted:

Here's a situation for ya.

I recently downloaded the entire first season of Game of Thrones.

Now, I pay for HBO so I had paid for the show already. I was more than willing to purchase a box set of the season....but it's not available. Anywhere. I want to watch the season again. It's that good.

So I download it for free.

Did I take money out of HBO or the producers hands by doing so? They aren't selling it, I already paid for it, but do you "it's STEALING!!11!!!" people still think I "stole" from them?

If so, how? And what damage did I do to their income by doing so?



thief
http://www.amazon.ca/Game-Thrones-Complete-First-Season/dp/B002IFT1ZA


it's even on sale with free shipping in Canada



Mar 6 2012


obviously he downloaded it before it was available, 10 days ago.

 

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FineYoungCannibals  4 stars
Title: Top of the food chain
Posts: 1,620
Registered: 2003-7-14 19:17:12
hey that Game of Thrones looks really cool, where can i dl it from?

 

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NonOffensiveName  3 stars
Title: Touching people in special places all day long
Posts: 830
Registered: 2001-10-7 19:39:14
Chevya posted:

Didn't make it through the whole thing. From what I read I think the guy is frankly just making a bunch of excuses to justify his behavior. Just because the RIAA is wrong doesn't make you right. Edit: Also I would like to read 'Why I rob banks - An open letter to bankers.'

while I agree he is just making excuses they are pretty valid excuses. If the RIAA and other companies/entities like them didnt gouge people out of their hard earned money for crappy content then people would have less incentive to pirate. Sure some people would still pirate just because they can. I think if people like the RIAA worked with people instead of against them by trying to bring lawsuits against private citizens through IP's and crap like that 80+% of the piracy would end I would guess.

Edit

I have to give this guy major props too...he is not only telling the industries what is wrong with them but also how to fix it. Its more than an other pirate has done that I know of. Most are just like Im going to keep pirating and there is nothing you can do to stop me. He's trying to be part of a solution at least instead of always being part of the problem.

 

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Immortal_Haze  2 stars
Posts: 498
Registered: 2002-1-31 17:54:09
I went around on Amazon with my Kindle looking for new books. Rejected a bunch of 7-10 dollar ones because I don't know them from jack and I'm not going to put that kind of money into a random book. Settled on a book for $1 from an author I didn't know. I've now bought 6 of his books for anywhere ranging from 1-10 dollars. He (or his publisher) gave me an inexpensive way to invest myself in the guy's work, and now I'm more than willing to pay big money for his work.

I think a lot of the big publishing companies are in trouble. They're doing old school business in a new world and they're going to end up hurting for it.

 

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Jezza_Belle  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-2-24 02:29:30
Immortal_Haze posted:

I went around on Amazon with my Kindle looking for new books. Rejected a bunch of 7-10 dollar ones because I don't know them from jack and I'm not going to put that kind of money into a random book. Settled on a book for $1 from an author I didn't know. I've now bought 6 of his books for anywhere ranging from 1-10 dollars. He (or his publisher) gave me an inexpensive way to invest myself in the guy's work, and now I'm more than willing to pay big money for his work.

I think a lot of the big publishing companies are in trouble. They're doing old school business in a new world and they're going to end up hurting for it.



a lot of people are self publishing on Amazon now, if you go the smart route and put your first book or two out there for $1 a lot of people will buy it just because they want to try something new without spending a lot... just like you yourself said.

Check out this article.

http://www.geekosystem.com/self-published-ebook-author-amanda-hocking/

 

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meltedmossy  1 star
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Posts: 156
Registered: 2001-8-12 13:55:41
Movies, TV and video. Pretty much any movie I can think of is at my fingertips, and in the unrestricted formats I like. Hulu and Netflix can't even come close to matching what the pirates have accomplished. Why subscribe to Netflix when some other movie studio can decide to not renew their agreement and 25% of my available viewing material disappears overnight?

Holy Christ this as well as the other points about drm.

 

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DunesVladHarkonnen  4 stars
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Registered: 2003-3-29 22:10:08
tillsb posted:

Basically I pirate because I can. I'm not going to buy it until they close every opportunity for me to get it elsewhere.



Yep.

I could pay for something, or I could not. Until I have no choice but to pay, I won't. A sammich for free or the same sammich for cash...I'll take the free.


Is it wrong? Is it stealing? YES. duh.

People who try to justify it are just trying to make themselves feel better. Simple fact is it's done because it can be done, and something free is better than the same something with a price tag. People spout the 'I paid because I support the artist' claim, and I've done that (BSG for example), but to be fair those are the exception to the rule not the standard.


...and to use the bank analogy. If the bank left money on the street outside the ATM rather than in it and I could take it, no one would know or there would be no consequences to ME for taking it, my account would not be debited...yeah I'd take the money. duh.

 

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Caoilin  4 stars
Title: Instigator
Posts: 2,278
Registered: 2001-11-20 00:03:45
Ptilk posted:

I've spent thousands of dollars a year on books for decades. I've bought multiple books every week, year in and out, for as long as I can remember.

I have thousands of ebooks at this time, but I also spend more on books now than I did before I ever pirated the first one. If I really like a book that I download, I'll go online and order every other book they ever wrote and happily pay for them (I dropped over 4K at B&N.com last year alone) I would have never bought a single thing from them if I wouldn't have gotten that first book for free.

I love Steam. I have hundreds of games in my account on there, many of which I have never played. I tend to buy the studio bundles that include every game by whatever studio involved. Hell, I pirated Dragon Age and played for a couple of days....then bought 4 copies to send to friends and one for myself, just so everyone I knew could enjoy the game.

Every pirated copy isn't a lost sale, it's a potential sale they would have never made in the first place as I didn't care enough to drop cash on your stuff....until I experienced it.

I spend WAAAAAY more money on various entertainment choices (movies, games, books) now...than I did before I hoisted the Jolly Roger.


why are we not better friends again?

 

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Caoilin  4 stars
Title: Instigator
Posts: 2,278
Registered: 2001-11-20 00:03:45
Ptilk posted:

Here's a situation for ya.

I recently downloaded the entire first season of Game of Thrones.

Now, I pay for HBO so I had paid for the show already. I was more than willing to purchase a box set of the season....but it's not available. Anywhere. I want to watch the season again. It's that good.

So I download it for free.

Did I take money out of HBO or the producers hands by doing so? They aren't selling it, I already paid for it, but do you "it's STEALING!!11!!!" people still think I "stole" from them?

If so, how? And what damage did I do to their income by doing so?


the box set just came out this week i think.

 

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