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levgre  Posts: 606
Registered: 2001-10-24 07:24:49
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"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read) |
DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
tillsb posted:
Basically I pirate because I can. I'm not going to buy it until they close every opportunity for me to get it elsewhere.
Yep.
I could pay for something, or I could not. Until I have no choice but to pay, I won't. A sammich for free or the same sammich for cash...I'll take the free.
Is it wrong? Is it stealing? YES. duh.
People who try to justify it are just trying to make themselves feel better. Simple fact is it's done because it can be done, and something free is better than the same something with a price tag. People spout the 'I paid because I support the artist' claim, and I've done that (BSG for example), but to be fair those are the exception to the rule not the standard.
...and to use the bank analogy. If the bank left money on the street outside the ATM rather than in it and I could take it, no one would know or there would be no consequences to ME for taking it, my account would not be debited...yeah I'd take the money. duh.
There actually is a difference between money lying around and downloading a product. In the latter they obviously lose the money they take. When you pirate, they only lost money if you would've actually bought the product.
It's still a form of theft but not on a 1:1 ratio with actual theft of a physical object.
And considering people steal from each other in whatever form everyday(including businesses who steal/lie as a legit business model), the morality on partial theft has been blurred.
What pirating has done more than anything else has just raised the bar for my entertainment media. Overall it could even have a positive force, encouraging creators to adopt a business plan of higher quality, more creative products.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read) |
We were shopping this week, and my wife picked up the new DVD/CD album set by Adele, and we actually bought it. My daughters were amazed that she actually bought it and we didn't try to download it somehow. It's just that easy these days with a computer and the internet.
I've got somewhere around 800+ movies...over 300 of those I purchased, and the others, well, duh, they've been copied.  I know what I've done, and if the FBI ever came around, I think I'd be in jail for, let's see... 12 months x ~500 movies... so ~500 years. 
While I can understand the point the guy in the article is trying to make, I agree with many others here in the fact that he's just trying to justify obtaining his entertainment for very little money. It certainly sounds as though he's trying to list "fair" prices, but the cold reality is that for even $1 for a Blu-Ray movie people would still illegally download and burn their own copies. I do agree with him in the DRM limitations, both in video and games. If I buy a movie or a game, then you as the publisher shouldn't be trying to limit which system I can put it on, or how many times I install it. And, much like the writer, I *hate* seeing the constant reminder that is on all the videos -- the piracy and FBI warnings...sheesh...one of the reasons I hate Disney movies is you can't FF or skip through most of their opening content...c'mon guys, really? I also don't feel a bit sorry for the 'label' companies, who make the contracts with the artists and yet the artist sees very little of each sale. If I knew that at least half of the purchase went to the artist, and not the label company, I'd be more inclined to purchase more, but I know where that money goes. Good read on the article, but it won't change who I am, or my own personal choices.
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Aethelgrin  Posts: 198
Registered: 2001-12-20 11:30:54
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Date Posted:
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Morals, lol, how do they work?
Why I Pirate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBbu-wkKrs
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Terminius_Est Title: Moon River
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Registered: 2002-2-27 06:08:05
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He pirates because the consequences are not severe enough. If he got caught and flogged in public, he probably wouldn't pirate.
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levgre Posts: 606
Registered: 2001-10-24 07:24:49
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"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read) |
Terminius_Est posted:
He pirates because the consequences are not severe enough. If he got caught and flogged in public, he probably wouldn't pirate.
Yup and they don't chew gum in Singapore because you get flogged for it. Riveting argument, chap.
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Fozzie_Bear  Posts: 2,490
Registered: 2001-12-20 01:43:43
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Jezza_Belle posted:
Ptilk posted:
Downloading copies of media isn't stealing, it's copyright infringement.
There is no physical loss to anyone, digital copies aren't a limited resource that cost the content creator any money, time, or effort when they were produced.
Comparing that to taking unlawful possession of a physical object is silly. Youtube isn't stealing an artists music when they allow millions of people to listen to it by clicking. It's not like they have the musician in a cage somewhere and have to hit them with a cattle prod and make them perform it every time someone watches one of their videos.
The vast majority of people who watch a video online, are never going to buy a physical or digital copy of that video...but some are going to do so. And many more are going to become fans and tell others about them, go to see their live shows, buy a tshirt, or whatever. It generates new fans, which in turn, generates profits for the artist...if they aren't stupid and if they don't spend more time crying about people seeing their stuff for free than turning all that free publicity into cash.
now THAT is a service I would pay for!
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Ah-Schoo Title: Fuzzy Caterpillar of Friendliness
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Registered: 2000-8-11 09:05:29
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It's just data, like your bank account information.
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tillsb  Title: me
Posts: 463
Registered: 2003-7-24 20:45:26
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Caledric posted:
HeartView posted:
Music wouldn't cost so much if we could buy directly from the artists. I bet someone could create a music-straight-from-the-artist service using Amazon's cloud for cheap, giving the artists the bulk of the profits and still make a good living.
RIAA would never allow it because it would be taking money away from the labels. No one cares about the actual artist... its the labels that are affected by it.
Me personally I don't buy anything anymore. If I hear a song I like, I'll write it down and listen to the group via Pandora or some other free service. I'd rather sit through some ads and listen to the song and others like it for free then feed the labels.
As for this guy... he's just making excuses for stealing. Don't care what your reasons are... pirating is theft plain and simple. If you want to "stick it to the man" or just don't want to "gamble on the album" use one of the many many free ad-laden services that pay the labels and artists for the right to stream the song to you for free. A 30 sec ad won't kill you.
My reason is I don't care if I'm stealing. If I though I could steal your car or tv or whatever and get away with it I'd steal those also.
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tillsb Title: me
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Registered: 2003-7-24 20:45:26
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Motar98 posted:
if it was as easy to rob banks as it is steal music, then i would be a bank robber. but i have no sympathy for banks or music corporations, i hate em both
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Meh, Although not always true, I think he is right in a lot of ways...
I know I have 2 non-pirated CD's in my car, both from artists who basically made a FB post one day saying "Here is a link to download my new album, if you want a hard copy you can order one here or find it at this retail location", I downloaded, enjoyed, and ordered.
Movies are the same way, if I really love a movie series, if they put out a high enough quality product, I will go to the theater and watch it. If I am questionable about the quality of their product I will download it, and that surely doesn't mean that if it wasn't available for download that I would have bought it.
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