Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read)
aon_mixed posted:
Jezza_Belle posted: In most instances, I don't pirate something that is available in the marketplace.
I subscribe to cable TV, if I miss recording a show for some reason, I don't feel bad about downloading it before it's available on HULU or OnDemand. If these services were as on the ball as pirates, 90% of my piracy would stop. This goes doubly for UK shows that I want to watch, but BBC America seems to think all we want to see is Top Gear, Being Human, and Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares.
Beyond that they regurgitate our own TV at us, nice of someone to be playing SciFi though, since SyFy can't be bothered to show it anymore.
but even the BBC delays new episodes from airing in the Americas by 6 months post-live date
it depends on the series, Doctor Who is either on schedule, or sometimes a week off.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read)
i was referring to Top Gear, oops.
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Elmador_MoK Title: Voice of Mostly-Reason Posts: 166 Registered: 2002-6-26 14:35:20
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read)
Jezza_Belle posted: That happens too, a lot more often than you'd think, and the little guy has no recourse without hiring an expensive lawyer. Which means the little guy has no recourse. It's expected, to a certain degree that you will have people that don't pay for the goods they receive.
Sure, bad things happen in this imperfect world. I know it is going to happen, of course! Doesn't mean it is right. That is what I am saying: that it is wrong, and the guy who wrote his little pirate manifesto is wrong. He is going to keep doing it, sure, and he is going to keep being wrong, and a thief.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read)
Elmador_MoK posted:
Jezza_Belle posted: That happens too, a lot more often than you'd think, and the little guy has no recourse without hiring an expensive lawyer. Which means the little guy has no recourse. It's expected, to a certain degree that you will have people that don't pay for the goods they receive.
Sure, bad things happen in this imperfect world. I know it is going to happen, of course! Doesn't mean it is right. That is what I am saying: that it is wrong, and the guy who wrote his little pirate manifesto is wrong. He is going to keep doing it, sure, and he is going to keep being wrong, and a thief.
I don't think he's wrong with expecting a level of quality, taste aside, from purchasing a $20 DVD. I've purchased $20 DVDs that were awful quality, obviously pulled off of an old well worn VHS instead of the master. I'm not talking about some burned DVD off ebay either, I'm talking about stuff purchased from retailers. I expect a DVD to be better quality than something I could download.
Elmador_MoK Title: Voice of Mostly-Reason Posts: 166 Registered: 2002-6-26 14:35:20
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read)
Jezza_Belle posted:
Elmador_MoK posted:
Jezza_Belle posted: That happens too, a lot more often than you'd think, and the little guy has no recourse without hiring an expensive lawyer. Which means the little guy has no recourse. It's expected, to a certain degree that you will have people that don't pay for the goods they receive.
Sure, bad things happen in this imperfect world. I know it is going to happen, of course! Doesn't mean it is right. That is what I am saying: that it is wrong, and the guy who wrote his little pirate manifesto is wrong. He is going to keep doing it, sure, and he is going to keep being wrong, and a thief.
I don't think he's wrong with expecting a level of quality, taste aside, from purchasing a $20 DVD. I've purchased $20 DVDs that were awful quality, obviously pulled off of an old well worn VHS instead of the master. I'm not talking about some burned DVD off ebay either, I'm talking about stuff purchased from retailers. I expect a DVD to be better quality than something I could download.
Except he talks about in post, he wants his money back because of matters of taste. Take this passage:
"Maybe it was your ending, or maybe it was the way you pulled something out of your ass in chapter 17 to rescue the girl. Either way, I'm not gambling anymore. Sure, some people might read those three chapters and think, "Hey, this is great, I'm going to buy this book." Me? I'll download it and read it if it's compelling. If I didn't like it, no harm, no foul."
I too think it is reasonable to expect quality in the things you buy. However, buyer beware. The burden of proof is on you the consumer. A debate about quality is really a tangent though, a whole different topic. He makes the same point about movies, music, video games, everything. He think he is entitled to ALL content created anywhere, but HE alone gets to be the arbiter of what it costs, and whether or not he should have to pay at all. That is just asinine. No harm, no foul? To him sure... what about the content creator? He admits enjoying things that they have made, and own, and have decided to sell to make a living, but he just doesn't have to pay, because of what he wants. Out of control egoism.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read)
HeartView posted: Music wouldn't cost so much if we could buy directly from the artists. I bet someone could create a music-straight-from-the-artist service using Amazon's cloud for cheap, giving the artists the bulk of the profits and still make a good living.
RIAA would never allow it because it would be taking money away from the labels. No one cares about the actual artist... its the labels that are affected by it.
Me personally I don't buy anything anymore. If I hear a song I like, I'll write it down and listen to the group via Pandora or some other free service. I'd rather sit through some ads and listen to the song and others like it for free then feed the labels.
As for this guy... he's just making excuses for stealing. Don't care what your reasons are... pirating is theft plain and simple. If you want to "stick it to the man" or just don't want to "gamble on the album" use one of the many many free ad-laden services that pay the labels and artists for the right to stream the song to you for free. A 30 sec ad won't kill you.
Dark_EternalFF Title: Official ACF Turd Posts: 1,838 Registered: 2002-11-8 22:44:06
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read)
Caledric posted:
HeartView posted: Music wouldn't cost so much if we could buy directly from the artists. I bet someone could create a music-straight-from-the-artist service using Amazon's cloud for cheap, giving the artists the bulk of the profits and still make a good living.
RIAA would never allow it because it would be taking money away from the labels. No one cares about the actual artist... its the labels that are affected by it.
Me personally I don't buy anything anymore. If I hear a song I like, I'll write it down and listen to the group via Pandora or some other free service. I'd rather sit through some ads and listen to the song and others like it for free then feed the labels.
As for this guy... he's just making excuses for stealing. Don't care what your reasons are... pirating is theft plain and simple. If you want to "stick it to the man" or just don't want to "gamble on the album" use one of the many many free ad-laden services that pay the labels and artists for the right to stream the song to you for free. A 30 sec ad won't kill you.
I think we're all in agreement that the RIAA and the MPAA suck and need to die horribly. I don't know of anyone who doesn't think this, pirate or no.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read)
Dark_EternalFF posted: I don't go stealing Aston Martins and mansions because I can't afford them.
You are missing out on a great opportunity. Aston Martins and mansions are so easy to steal! Nobody expects it!
Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate Posts: 2,359 Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read)
I agree with most of what he wrote.
I wont buy anything with stupid DRM or that requires me to install stupid software just to use it. I would happily buy stuff if it was packaged in the same, very usable and easy to use format that pirates package it in, and if it was available when the pirated version was...not 10 months later, in some god awful package that includes stupid crap that I have to wade thru to get to what I want.
I couldn't give a crap about price for the most part, if I like something, I'll buy it. But I want to buy it when I want, in the version I want, and use it like I want..not how someone else decides I should be able to do so.
I download whatever I feel like. If I like the stuff, I'll buy physical copies cause I like them. I like to look over on the shelf and see them, makes me happy. I will probably never open the copy, but I still buy it. Because I want to support the people who make the stuff I like.
The vast majority of entertainment (movies, games, books) I have purchased in the past 5 years...I pirated before I purchased. If I can't find a pirate copy, I figure it sucks so much no one bothered. I'm not going to drop 25 bucks on a book that I might not like anymore. Just never going to happen. I'll download it, then if I like it...I buy it. Hell, even if I hate it....I will end up buying it at times, just to support the person who wrote it in hopes that their future stuff wont suck (George R.R. Martin and Boring with Dragons comes to mind here).
In short, get with the program. I couldn't care less about anyone's "moral" take on the issue. Your "morals" mean nothing to me. I'm doing what I want and enjoying what I want the way I want and when I want it.
If you think that's bad. I don't give a damn. And in reality, more people are like me than are like you. A new business model is in effect and it's only going to keep moving more towards my way of thinking than yours. There is plenty of money to be made off of a business plan that incorporates free distribution and not creating a product full of crap that no one wants layered over the stuff they do want.
Businesses and artists who get this....will prosper. Others will spend their time qq'ing and waste the opportunity. Their decision. I've made mine, and I'm quite content with it.
