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"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read) [Locked] |
Elmador_MoK  Title: Voice of Mostly-Reason
Posts: 166
Registered: 2002-6-26 14:35:20
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1/1/00 12:00am
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"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read) |
If you have to ask, you'll never understand.
EDIT: this is for the homer troll that thinks wanting something entitles him to it, not Jezz. You get your own response.
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tillsb  Title: me
Posts: 463
Registered: 2003-7-24 20:45:26
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I understand their rights mean nothing to me unless I'm caught....in fact **** their rights.
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tillsb Title: me
Posts: 463
Registered: 2003-7-24 20:45:26
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Basically I pirate because I can. I'm not going to buy it until they close every opportunity for me to get it elsewhere.
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Jezza_Belle  Title: =^.^=
Posts: 2,771
Registered: 2001-2-24 02:29:30
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read) |
Elmador_MoK posted:
I don't have an answer to your question
ok, got it... didn't think so.
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Caoilin Title: Instigator
Posts: 2,278
Registered: 2001-11-20 00:03:45
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read) |
i haven't read this but i saw prices mentioned so i'm throwing in my 2c on game prices.
i think games should be cheaper. $60 is a great price tag for a game like mass effect 3 and skyrim if you're into buggy piles of profanity. (skyrim not me3.) why? i'm going to get HUNDREDS of hours out of me3. i know people are getting that out of skyrim. now with me3, that was just the sp content. i quite enjoy the mp content so you can add a bunch more time onto my play times for this game. $60 is well worth that. in fact, the $80 for the CE was worth it to me (and not even because the full regular game was actually $70 with the dlc that was so part of the game it's mind boggling that it wasn't free. ffs ea.) so a game with like 80 hours of content for 1 play through and good mp? yeah that's worth $60. games that are only about 8 hours long? $30 max. i will not pay you $60 for a short game that i'm only going to play once. i don't care how much it cost to make. the uncharted series is a great example of this. the games are phenomenal. they're fun and beautiful and cost a ton of money to make. but they're not worth $60 to me. i will not pay $60 for them. i will wait until they are $30. and that's exactly what i've done. the only reason i bought uc3 is because i got it for $30 during the black friday lightning deal sales on amazon. i feel fully justified in spending that price for that game. hell even some should be $20 if they weren't expensive to make. i would buy so many more games if they were priced according to the time you will spend playing them. and for that matter, psn and xbl need to have sales like steam does and the dlc and arcade games need to fking drop in price as they age. if i could buy all the pixel junk games for like $5, i would. but i can't because they're all still $15 like they were when they came out 5 years ago. that's ridiculous and no. 
tldr: $60 for games that are at least 80 hours long. $20-$30 for 8 hour games. dlc and psn/xbl games need to fking drop in price as they age like everything else.
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Elmador_MoK Title: Voice of Mostly-Reason
Posts: 166
Registered: 2002-6-26 14:35:20
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read) |
Jezza_Belle posted:
Elmador_MoK posted:
Man, that level of entitlement (and the need to write so much about it) is what is wrong with modern America.
I could write just as much as he did about why I disagree, but some of the points are just baffling. He downloads because he wants to judge it, like books, after the fact? Caveat emptor. Risk is part of any purchase, lol. So what if he doesn't find that acceptable? Just throw the law and the content creator's rights right out the window because you want something? What a child.
Risk is part of the purchase? since when?
When I create graphics for a company and I come up with three options, they don't pay for all three, just the one they pick.
Your argument lacks all logical cogency. I too am a writer and make products that don't sell, regularly. If I DO sell a manuscript and it doesn't perform as well as a publisher expects, then they don't get to take the advance back. If you go see the latest blockbuster at the theater and its a letdown, you don't get your money back.
If you want to take your example, you can just not buy products, sure, which means you aren't taking the risk. But when they buy your graphic (or you buy anything) you are taking a risk. If they buy your graphic, you get paid, period. You can negotiate until judgement about these, in contracts and agreements, under the law too, but if you enter a sales agreement and have buyer's remorse, cry me a river. The original blogger's point is that he can just take all three of your graphics, no matter what you said, and maybe he will pay you, or maybe he won't, he is just going to use them and you can 'deal with it'.
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Ungabhunga Posts: 319
Registered: 2008-8-7 11:25:39
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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His moral compass is fked but so is the system.  
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Kordirn Title: Pirate Prince
Posts: 1,513
Registered: 2004-4-19 01:15:26
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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I have no reason to buy music. With Spotify, and pandora I don't see a reason for me to go out and buy a cd.
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Jezza_Belle Title: =^.^=
Posts: 2,771
Registered: 2001-2-24 02:29:30
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
"Why I Pirate" - An Open Letter to Content Creators (LONG read) |
Elmador_MoK posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
Elmador_MoK posted:
Man, that level of entitlement (and the need to write so much about it) is what is wrong with modern America.
I could write just as much as he did about why I disagree, but some of the points are just baffling. He downloads because he wants to judge it, like books, after the fact? Caveat emptor. Risk is part of any purchase, lol. So what if he doesn't find that acceptable? Just throw the law and the content creator's rights right out the window because you want something? What a child.
Risk is part of the purchase? since when?
When I create graphics for a company and I come up with three options, they don't pay for all three, just the one they pick.
Your argument lacks all logical cogency. I too am a writer and make products that don't sell, regularly. If I DO sell a manuscript and it doesn't perform as well as a publisher expects, then they don't get to take the advance back. If you go see the latest blockbuster at the theater and its a letdown, you don't get your money back.
If you want to take your example, you can just not buy products, sure, which means you aren't taking the risk. But when they buy your graphic (or you buy anything) you are taking a risk. If they buy your graphic, you get paid, period. You can negotiate until judgement about these, in contracts and agreements, under the law too, but if you enter a sales agreement and have buyer's remorse, cry me a river. The original blogger's point is that he can just take all three of your graphics, no matter what you said, and maybe he will pay you, or maybe he won't, he is just going to use them and you can 'deal with it'.
That happens too, a lot more often than you'd think, and the little guy has no recourse without hiring an expensive lawyer. Which means the little guy has no recourse. It's expected, to a certain degree that you will have people that don't pay for the goods they receive.
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aon_mixed Title:
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Posts: 2,317
Registered: 2002-8-19 07:30:30
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
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Jezza_Belle posted:
In most instances, I don't pirate something that is available in the marketplace.
I subscribe to cable TV, if I miss recording a show for some reason, I don't feel bad about downloading it before it's available on HULU or OnDemand. If these services were as on the ball as pirates, 90% of my piracy would stop. This goes doubly for UK shows that I want to watch, but BBC America seems to think all we want to see is Top Gear, Being Human, and Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares.
Beyond that they regurgitate our own TV at us, nice of someone to be playing SciFi though, since SyFy can't be bothered to show it anymore.
but even the BBC delays new episodes from airing in the Americas by 6 months post-live date
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