This is what we are hoping for.


Plus, we have this crazy idea that creating group combos that can handle trash mobs easier leaves fighting the boss mobs worse off, (gee, where did Blizz do that before?) so we're gonna aim the other direction. We will let you know how many times we wipe on trash.

 

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>>>I've cleared em all and enjoy the challenges (prot pali leading guild only groups). <<<

Uh, I hate to point this out to you, but the parenthetical portion of your statement means your experience bears NO resemblance to what many people in this thread are talking about. #1 being, waiting in a PUG queue for 30-45 minutes as DPS, only to have the group fail within minutes or get stuck with a couple of complaining SOBs.

Sure, its EASY to enjoy the challenge when you run with a guild group where you have NO queue wait time (if you have full group) and where every other word in chat isn't a complaint about player X making the mistake of standing near purple thing Z and causing the healer anxiety.

 

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When I did the first two 80+ dungeons at level 80, I did get that mini raid feeling and It was exciting. I was with my guild and I had not done any real raiding with my guild yet and it really gave me a picture of how it would be. We discussed the boss before we just jumped right in and shared info on what we already knew about the encounter.


Then we jumped in and tried to execute what we just planned out. It went really well and was a done of fun.


I liked that all those bosses were not just tank and spank and each boss fight hand an 'encounter' feel. This I liked.

 

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Well, you can't dumb down all encounters to the lowest common denominator. What will be challenging for a guild group will automatically be even harder for a PuG, unless you're lucky and get into a group with only good players of course. If you dumb down everything heroic so that anyone facerolling his keyboard can do it without even paying attention to the screen, it will be dead boring just like the AOE fests in WotLK.

There's also something else - people got so used to faceroll heroics at the end of WotLK that they don't take the time to gear up in normals. That's what non-guild group PuGs should do. Run normal dungeons, get gear and also reputation for more gear, and when ready, run heroics. Being ready doesn't mean storing crap stuff in your bags to achieve the item level for heroics, it means REALLY being ready, both gear wise and also gameplay wise. Normals help to learn the encounters for heroics.

 

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I'm not either - I'm elitist, if that means not mixing up in game with the average idiot we see in SW/OG or posting on this forum. I have no problem admitting that I like to spend my leisure video game time with quality people, and not kids or the escapees of the local retard asylum.

ok..so being able to play THIS game will make for a "quality" person..and also frees them from being a "retard"

right...

good luck.

i see the idiot now....

 

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I figured it would take three months for everyone to wake up and get the wotlk system of play out of their systems. Another two months to go. I should have one of my 80's to 85 by then and outfitted with the best possible pre heroic gear by then.

Yeah of course, because wanting to spend the leisure time I "invest" in this game with pleasant people who also know how to play or are willing to learn and improve makes me an idiot.

As you said, I see the idiot now... you are right, I should spend it with people I dislike and who play like morons instead. That's definitely a sane approach for a successful and fun leisure time.

 

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It doesn't make you an idiot, just a pretentious prick. Nice meltdown last night btw, went out for a drink and had a hell of a laugh when I got home.

As far as the topic at hand, this expansion is going to be just like the rest....once even the bad players have decent gear, the heroics are going to be a joke again.

 

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I'm with Korrigan on this one. All he said was that he likes to play this game with competant people. Keep it in context, he wasn't judging the person as a whole, just their gaming ability. I'm sure he doesn't care if that person is a 'quality' person to your standards are not, all he needs them for is to play this game with.


That is why we all search out 'good' guilds. Good being very subjective here. Its more accurate to say that we search out guilds with like-minded players which leads to a better game expirience.

 

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Non-raid instances in early vanilla = Heroic*
Non-raid instances in late vanilla = Ranged from walk in the park to brave
Heroic 5-mans in early BC = Heroic
Heroic 5-mans in late BC = Brave
Heroic 5-mans in early WOTLK = Brave
Heroic 5-mans in late WOTLK = Walk in the park.
Heroic 5-mans in early Cata = No personal experience yet, but from the accounts of trusted players, about on par with early Heroics from BC.


*I am speaking about instances other than Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, Onyxia, AQ20/40, Naxx. I.e. Stratholme, UBRS, Scholomance, etc. which used to be pretty challenging instances at level 60 especially early on before people had raid gear.

 

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