So did you not understand that my post equated "aggressive DPSer" with one that lacks the intelligence or restraint to play reasonably?

"Aggressive DPSer" is more often than not a synonym for "douchey player who either sucks, is unaware of how to play in a group, or is trying to make the dungeon run some sort of e-peen contest".

It's not a tank's job to fix stupid. It's a DPSer's job to play within the tank's capacity, or tank themselves, or find another tank, or find another group.

Put even more clearly, see, it takes more effort to DPS efficiently AND effectively than it does to merely mash buttons at whatever target comes up when you hit the tab key without regard for threat or kill order. Yet you assert that the tank should "go the extra mile" to accommodate players who are too lazy to just go the required miles (not even the extra ones) to simply play intelligently.

Also note that the last line of my post said "it goes both ways".

 

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If a dps somehow out-threats me on the proper target (highly unlikely given the current state), I will by all means pull off of him. If the dps is pulling mobs "for me" or lighting up another mob while skull is still up, I hope for his sake he can tank them.


When I tank I go as fast as my healers mana allows me to, and not all healers are created equal. If I'm running with a guild healer I barely use cc anymore. If it's a pug I'm cc'ing everything I can. If you don't like it you are free to leave or roll your own tank to set the pace.

 

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The tank and the healer set the pace, control the fights, and give the orders in a dungeon. That's just the way it works logically and logistically, and due to the increased responsibility and increased difficulty of those roles there will always be 100 times more DPS than these critical roles.

That means that the mindless masses of deeps follow orders, period. If you unwashed peasants don't like it, go wait in the queue for another hour, mine is instant.

 

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This isn't the instance to be debating the pros and cons of pulling as DPS.

There is no pulling groups in VH. Set timer. Everyone should be engaging at the same time. Bad tank imo.

 

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/agree

 

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A good tank will take the aggro.

Good DPS'r will drag the aggro into the tank or use an ability to shed aggro.

A good healer will keep them all alive.

 

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I have stood by, on both my healer and tank, and watched dps die because they couldn't tank what they pulled. But this is only after repeated attempts to get them to stop pulling. For one particularly annoying dps that still kept doing this, I finally refused to rez him.


As a healer, I'll be damned if I am going to heal a dps if the tank is intentionally not getting aggro on it. I am not putting myself on the aggro list just to cover for a dumbass dps.

 

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Is it so unrealistic to expect, even more 3 months after the release of an expansion, that people are informed about the content? I mean, it's not rocket science either, everything is on WoW wiki and takes like 2 minutes for an average brain to understand. It doesn't mean you won't stand in the fire, but at least that you'll know there will be fire. "Knowing there's a trap is the first step in evading it" - Frank Herbert, Dune.
The first month or so after new content, people who know inform the others. But 3+ months later... seriously!
I remember a time when MMORPGs REQUIRED players to be informed. In Asheron's Call, you were going nowhere without a minimum of... how to call this? Let's say "education" and "knowledge" about the game.
Also... it's amazing how many people won't ASK if they don't know. They will just make the 4 other people endure their ignorance instead of asking in the group what the boss is all about.
Fact is - most of today's players are silver spoon fed and expect the others to do the job for them. They play a MMO like they play their solo console game, not realizing they are also wasting 4 other people's time.

 

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I haven't even done all the instances yet because I can't seem to pick a main. Instead of getting to 85, I have 5 at 83/84. I have not and will not go watch videos on the net to learn the fights. I experience them. That is the game. This isn't a board meeting I am preparing for, I don't need to have it down cold before I even step foot in there. Get real, stop being a douche.

 

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