Hunters who don't misdirect are just plain lazy imho...

 

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Somewhat unlikely a tank is marking targets in reg VH (or that people leveling and learning are assisting tank), and if you can't hold threat on the multiple weak mobs in those pulls, it's time to delete.





I know tanks like this. I don't disagree, but I'm a damn good tank and it takes an act of monumental dps stupidity or me being stunned/incapacitated for me to lose threat that badly.


I rarely encounter people that stupid at 85. It's more likely to be while leveling and you have the LOLbackstabber type rogues who wanna open up with ambush on random mobs and say, LOL, watch out I'm high threat (transaltes too, I don't know how to play my class or manage threat).

 

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Some people are just bad tanks.


I have a former guildie who thinks he's a great tank but he never really knows content, sets up random/inappropriate CC, never notices people have threat, never notices healer getting pounded by a stray he never grabbed.


And some are true jerks. This one sounds like a jerk.


Kinda hard to top the tanks at 85 who queue up, pull immediately before healer changes spec or anybody is remotely ready, start yelling at the group to DIE repeatedly in various abusive lines of p-chat, then zone out/drop group after everyone else is dead. I've had this happen in pugs and so have guildies.


Scumbags play WoW, big news there.

 

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Right there is where you went wrong. The tank told you, and you in fact recognize the reason, but since you decided "this dungeon doesn't count because XYZ" you are now mad at the guy who wants to follow the rule.

It really doesn't matter if you think the tank should tank differently in here because guess what, he's the tank. If you want to be the tank then be the tank. If not let the tank tank the way he wants to or leave.

--Sly

 

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Honestly I think Wrath made us all lazy and complacent.


I find myself agreeing with all sides of the argument. Anymore I just dont play rather then deal with the crap.

 

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Honestly, Sly is correct again here. The bottom line is that lots of people want to play the game *their* way. Regardless of that, when you can tank, you can replace the tank and be the tank yourself and then tank your way and the group will play your way or someone else will replace you as the tank, it's actually that simple. When I've played with tanks who are douches, I leave or initiate a kick vote. You should too.

Remember that the game allows you a great deal of latitude with respect to playing "your way" but it doesn't necessarily give you a lot of power to assert "your way" of playing on others. Despite that, and contrary to what you probably think, you have complete freedom though because you can always leave a group and keep looking until you find one that plays "your way".

 

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Nothing to contribute here, but I had an amusing dungeon tank also.

I was leveling my mage and hadn't taken him through HoR yet. So I finally get a HHoR group in the queue. As I zone in, I see the bear tank say "I am a new tank, so be patient." I am thinking to myself how badly this will go with a new tank in HHoR, but I decide to give him the benefit of the doubt.

As it starts, despite my numerous protests, he decides that the middle of the room is the best place to tank the incoming waves. Obviously that did not work very well for very long. After we all wipe, he drops immediately.

Moral of the story: if you don't know what you are doing, ask first. You will save yourself some embarrassment and save everyone a lot of time. Also- don't tank waves in the middle of HHoR.


Tanks that take the "you yank it, you tank it" approach are justified as long as they only take that approach for repeated offenses. Everyone makes mistakes, and those should be ignored. It happens. I don't mind helping people if they screw up, that's what a team does. But if you are too stupid to listen and follow directions time after time after time, you better expect to deal with the consequences.

 

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I had a situation like this in Heroic Deadmines. I recently hit 85 and geared up within a couple days to heroic level. So hadn't run much other than BRC on heroic. I generally have my friend with me telling me all the additional heroic changes from normal. He hadn't done Deadmines yet either.

So as soon as we ported in I made sure I told the group it was my first time in this heroic. Of course the Mage(geared in a good amount of cata raid epics) made a comment like "/facepalm" or something. So I called him out telling him to either deal with it and provide any important info, or leave.

The run went pretty smooth. I got the achieve on first boss for avoiding the flame line, whatever it was. We wiped once on the mechanical guy as no one mentioned anything about the adds, aced it the second try.

Finished the place with 1 wipe, and managed to enjoy it.

I'm finding the new "hard" heroics way better than the Wrath ones. Everyone complains that they are hard. The only reason they are hard is because no one says anything when they don't know wtf they are supposed to do(beams on 2nd boss BRC, anyone? Had a lot of dps say "ya, I got it", just to wipe us).

 

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It twas sarcasm

 

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What's your point? You didn't refute my statement one bit. I agree with you, DPSers should be smarter and not pull aggro but that's no excuse to be a shitty tank and not taunt off them.

 

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